- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 13:54:24 +0200
- To: public-ontolex@w3.org
- Message-ID: <53BBDBF0.3050209@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Aldo, you mean remove the import from the owl file by deleting the import text or deleting the import in Protégé? I do not know how to define the entries from the external ontology as new entities with their URIs, but I will try out and let you know ;-) In any case, we seem all to agree on the strategy, but the implementation is still unclear, which is good. Stay tuned. Philipp. Am 08.07.14 13:38, schrieb Aldo Gangemi: > A couple of possibilities: > > 1) (simpler) import the ontology, create the links, then remove the > import ;) > 2) (more accurate) define the entities from the external ontology as > new entities with their URIs, then create the links > > (1) is very quick, but the entities that remain “orphan” after the > import removal are not typed. > > Aldo > > On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:28:02 PM , Philipp Cimiano > <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote: > >> OK, the thing is: I am working with Protegé and I do not know how to >> create a subclass axiom without importing the ontology. >> >> If somene can help and remove the import but keeping the owl subclass >> axioms linking to semiotics.owl, then this would be the perfect >> solution I think. >> >> Any volunteers? You can directly change the ontology in bitbucket and >> create a merge request. >> >> Philipp. >> >> Am 06.07.14 21:49, schrieb Armando Stellato: >>> Well, you can “mention” resources from another ontology, without >>> having to owl:import it (write an owl:import statement between your >>> vocabulary and the target one). This is mostly suggested when your >>> ontology A is “connected” to another one B but does not strictly >>> need B for computing the inferences which are inherent to its (of A) >>> model. >>> With an owl:import, any tool which performs automatic transitive >>> closure of owl:imports, will download all of the target ontologies >>> of the owl:imports and in turn, of their owl:imported ontologies. >>> Not using it, prevents this from happen (though a user is always >>> free to import ontologies of other mentioned resources manually). >>> In our case, if we put links to semiotics.owl in a dedicated module, >>> then I would say it is not a problem to use an owl:import, because >>> if you use that module, then you are explicitly willing to use >>> semiotics.owl. If links are reported in the core module, then >>> totally agree with John. >>> Cheers, >>> Armando >>> P.S: I’ve almost certainly said some redundant and trivial things up >>> there: sorry in advance, just was not sure about the exact scope of >>> the technical question >>> *Da:*Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de] >>> *Inviato:*domenica 6 luglio 2014 21:26 >>> *A:*public-ontolex@w3.org;public-ontolex@w3.org >>> *Oggetto:*Re: ontolex.owl >>> Hi John, all, >>> >>> ok so what does it mean technically "to include links to >>> semiotics.owl ... avoiding an OWL import statement" ? >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> Am 03.07.14 06:44, schrieb John P. McCrae: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We should include links to semiotics.owl and other relevant >>> resources, but unless we are dependent on that model we should >>> avoid using an OWL import statement >>> >>> Regards, >>> John >>> >>> On 2 Jul 2014 21:02, "Philipp Cimiano" >>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote: >>> >>> Aldo, >>> >>> right. Is anyone against including this alignment in the spec. >>> >>> Please shout now or be silent forever. >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> >>> Am 27.06.14 16:23, schrieb Aldo Gangemi: >>> >>> Too late for the call, sorry. >>> Yes, that is what I intended: it’s bizarre that we >>> include an alignment without even mentioning in the spec :) >>> A >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2014, at 4:18:22 PM , Philipp Cimiano >>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Aldo, >>> >>> not sure I get your comment. Are you saying: If you >>> import semiotics.owl, please mention it also in the >>> spec? >>> Just trying to understand what exactly is bizarre ;-) >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> Am 27.06.14 14:21, schrieb Aldo Gangemi: >>> >>> Hi I will try to attend this telco. Anyway, I >>> missed the discussion about not including >>> semiotics.owl in the spec. I remember we said >>> these alignments should not be part of the core >>> itself, but maybe we should mention that it >>> exists in the owl implementation, and why. As it >>> is, it sounds bizarre :) >>> Aldo >>> >>> sent by aldo from a mobile >>> >>> On 23/giu/2014, at 08:28, Philipp Cimiano >>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I have been working on ensuring consistency >>> of the ontolex.owl module with the spec. >>> >>> I have: >>> >>> 1) made sure that all axioms in the ontology >>> correspond to those in the spec; the >>> ontology is consistent ;-) >>> 2) ensured that all domain / ranges match >>> 3) introduced examples illustrating the use >>> in the git under directory "Examples" >>> 4) included the semiotics.owl ontology as we >>> decided some time ago; we agreed to not have >>> this in the spec, but in the actual >>> ontology, see ontology file >>> >>> I attach the current version of the >>> ontolex.owl module (see attached). >>> >>> I would kindly ask you to help me to ensure >>> that the example in Examples are fine. I did >>> not find a service to validate the files >>> (they are in Turtle syntax). Can someone >>> please check them and modify them >>> appropriately, modifying also the spec where >>> these example are given? >>> >>> I would like to finalize the model on our >>> telco on Friday, so please raise any >>> concerns this week. >>> >>> Please carefully review the ontology and the >>> text; if you spot any issues, please let me >>> know. >>> >>> I have added a pointer to the GIT in the >>> main wiki page. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> >>> Phone:+49 521 106 12249 >>> <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>> Fax:+49 521 106 12412 >>> <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012412> >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Forschungsbau Intelligente Systeme (FBIIS) >>> Raum 2.307 >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> Inspiration 1 >>> 33619 Bielefeld >>> >>> <OntolexCore.png> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> AG Semantic Computing >>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction >>> Technology (CITEC) >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> >>> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>> Germany >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> AG Semantic Computing >>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> >>> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>> Germany >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> >>> Phone: +49 521 106 12249 >>> Fax: +49 521 106 12412 >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Forschungsbau Intelligente Systeme (FBIIS) >>> Raum 2.307 >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> Inspiration 1 >>> 33619 Bielefeld >> >> -- >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany > -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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