RE: [public-ontolex] <none>

Hi John,

 

quick reply here, more in the call :-)

 

I think the point I was trying to make was that the metadata module should IMHO only cover metadata about ontology-lexica. As such the metadata module should be more or less limited to describing resources, which are representable by means of the OntoLex-Lemon model. 

 

I see the point and totally agree on it. So, what is still open point is what we will put in the LLD module, thus we cannot tell what is inside and what is not inside OL (Ontolex-Lemon), considering also modules other than the core one. And again, I’m not telling LRs should or should not be necessarily covered by LLD. IMHO, they should, but it is open to discussion.

 

What puzzles then is that some of these categories seem very strange in description of a static RDF document. In particular, I mean that the concept of a dictionary being "directional" is odd in this case. i.e., if we have a resource, which gives entries for an ontological concept in two or more* languages then it is quite unclear in which direction the "translation" occurs. Also, it has been my assumption that if we do introduce a translation property linking senses then this property would be symmetric.

 

The issue here is to connected to my reply above: either we decide that we only address what can be modeled with (current) OL, or we decide that OL could model “less noble” resources (with a more entropic state of existence), just “because they are there” which, usually, is a good motivation. Obviously, a good motivation may still be not enough, and we may decide that there is no room for them in LLD.

Going more ground on the specific instance, suppose you have a bilingual dictionary with entries like:

word[it]  --> word1[en], word2[en], word3[en]

there is no clean way to go back

 

* Out of interest why is there no metadata for a lexicon with more than 2 languages?

 

A lexicon (ok, resource) with more than 2 languages is not made of direct translations, but necessarily has a core conceptual structure (which may have its own metadata). Usually (I’m not sure if ever) it is not even a lexicon…

I did not mention 2-lang lexicons, I mentioned translation dictionaries, but not all (2..n)-language resources are translation dictionaries.

 

Cheers,

 

Armando

 

PS will add some more minor comments to the wiki about the metadata module

 

Thanks!