- From: Dörthe Arndt <doerthe.arndt@ugent.be>
- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:49:53 +0000
- To: Pierre-Antoine Champin <pierre-antoine@w3.org>
- CC: "public-n3-dev@w3.org" <public-n3-dev@w3.org>
Hi Pierre Antoine, I am still reading the comments and thinking about my own opinion here, but I can say that your proposal has been implemented some time ago in EYE (I even have an implementation of my grammar for this case and I formalized it that way). So, if you want to „play“ with your idea, I think an EYE version from around 2017 should do what you it (but please double check with Jos). Hear you in a few minutes. Dörthe > Am 16.06.2021 um 09:26 schrieb Pierre-Antoine Champin <pierre-antoine@w3.org>: > > Hi all, > > here's a crazy idea. I am not even sure I like it myself, but I wanted to ear others' opinion about it. > > During our last call, William made a point, with which I agree (assuming I understood it correctly). To sum it up: people use blank node in data more as "local" identifiers than as proper existential variables. This pleads for quantifying blank nodes at the top level. > > On the other hand, as we also pointed out during the call, blank nodes as used in rule bodies (and rule heads, I believe) need to be quantified locally. > > Hence my crazy idea: why not make the scope of blank node determined by the log:implies (=>) predicate? > > More precisely: > > * a formula that is the subject or object of log:implies defines a new scope for blank nodes > > * any other formula inherits the scope of its immediate parent > > * blank nodes in the top level scope are quantified *before* universals (which is consistent with viewing them as "local constants") > > Below is a long (apologies) list of examples. > > WDYT? > > pa > > > Examples 1: > > :alice :belives { [] a :Unicorn }. > [] a :Person. > > is equivalent to (using old-style explicit quantifiers) > > @forSome v:u, v:p. > :alice :belives { v:u a :Unicorn }. > v:p a :Person. > > ---- > > Example 2: > > { [] a :Unicorn } => { :world a :MagicalPlace }. > > is equivalent to (using old-style explicit quantifiers) > > { @forSome v:u. v:u a :Unicorn } => { :world a :MagicalPlace }. > > (i.e. no change with today's interpretation) > > ---- > > Example 3: > > { ?x a :Person } => { ?x :mother [] }. > > is equivalent to (using old-style explicit quantifiers) > > { ?x a :Person } => { @forSome v:m. ?x :mother v:m }. > > (i.e. no change with today's interpretation) > > ---- > > Example 4: > > :alice :belives { [] a :Unicorn }. > { ?x :believes { [] a :Unicorn } } => { ?x a :GulliblePerson }. > > is equivalent to (using old-style explicit quantifiers) > > @forSome v:u1. > :alice :believes { v:u1 a :Unicorn }. > { @forSome v:u2. ?x :believs { v:u2 a :Unicorn } } => { ?x a :GulliblePerson }. > > which, unless I am mistaken, is also equivalent to > > @forSome v:u1. > :alice :believes { v:u1 a :Unicorn }. > { ?x :believs { ?u2 a :Unicorn } } => { ?x a :GulliblePerson }. > > I would expect this to produce. > > :alice a :GulliblePerson. > > ---- > > Example 5: > > :alice :belives { [] a :Unicorn }. > { ?x :believes { ?y a :Unicorn } } => { ?x :wishesToRide ?y }. > > is equivalent to (using old-style explicit quantifiers) > > @forSome v:u1. > :alice :believes { v:u1 a :Unicorn }. > { ?x :believes { ?y a :Unicorn } } => { ?x :wishesToRide ?y }. > > I would have no problem with this producing > > :alice :wishesToRide v:u1. # where v:u1 is still quantified by the top @forSome > > > <OpenPGP_0x9D1EDAEEEF98D438.asc>
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