- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:37:46 +0200
- To: public-mwts@w3.org
Hi,
The minutes for our call today are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html
and copied as text below.
Among other things, it was decided that we would meet next week (Aug 4),
but that there wouldn't be other meetings of the group in August.
Dom
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference
28 Jul 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jul/0011.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-irc
Attendees
Present
dom, Wilhelm, Kai, Marcos
Regrets
Chair
Wilhelm
Scribe
dom
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Widgets testing
2. [6]WCTMB2
3. [7]Blog
4. [8]OMA
5. [9]Next meetings (August meetings)
* [10]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Widgets testing
ACTION-52: pending review from Wilhelm's manager
<trackbot> ACTION-52 Draft a blog post on SPARTAN notes added
ACTION-2?
<trackbot> ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests
WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
[11] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2
Kai: I'm writing up a guide on how to run the framework on linux
... not sure how people are supposed to contribute to that framework
without running it
... it's quite hard to get it running, and thus quite hard to
contributes tests to it
Wilhelm: we have set up a server where internally people can just
push their tests
Kai: but how would we open that up to a larger audience?
Wilhelm: it could work to open up write access with quick moderation
Kai: quick moderation sounds tricky
ISSUE: how to open up access to WTF
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-5 - How to open up access to WTF ; please
complete additional details at
[12]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/issues/5/edit .
[12] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/issues/5/edit
ACTION-62?
<trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to send feedback
on the contribution guide for widgets test suites -- due 2009-07-07
-- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/62
Kai: I've made some progress on the regular widget tests suites
[14]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/suite/
... still need to match it up with the test plan
... that needs an update since the assertions have changed
... I have spent some time filling up the test plan boxes
[14] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/suite/
<hendry> Marcos:
[15]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
[15] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
Marcos: would like to expand on what Dom has started by adding the
notion of classes of products
... and start by populating the tables
Kai: we already have that table
[16]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
[16] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
Marcos: the assertions are still changing a bit; I would need
someone to review them btw
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to update the test plan with the latest
assertions [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Update the test plan with the latest
assertions [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].
<hendry> [18]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/
[18] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/
Kai: the other confusing thing is Marcos' document with the
extracted test assertions
... will it be different? the same document?
<hendry> [19]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/ versus
[20]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
[19] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/
[20] http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/plan.html
Marcos: I'd like to see a way to match the plan to the assertions
... I could add an id to each line/paragraph
Dom: it would help if each assertion had a more stable id than they
do right now
... probably not a big deal for this doc, but would be useful going
forward
... also, the notion of adding a class per assertion to classify per
class of product would be great
Marcos: what about the review of test assertions?
Dom: I think we'll send feedback as we find problems in the
assertions
Marcos: ok, I'll add ids to the assertions then
Kai: sounds really good
ACTION-63?
<trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to add testing
strategies to widget test contrbutions guide -- due 2009-07-07 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/63
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/63
[22]http://dabase.com/blog/Contribute_Widget_tests/
[22] http://dabase.com/blog/Contribute_Widget_tests/
Marcos: a widget test contribution guide would be very useful
Kai: I'd be happy to improve my current doc if that's helpful
Marcos: We'll need a fairly wide review of the test suite if we want
it to be reliable and useful, esp. if we're getting external
contributions
... providing templates for building test cases would be useful
... maybe that's something we can work on together
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to work with Marcos on developing templates and
contributions guide [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Work with Marcos on developing
templates and contributions guide [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
<hendry> [24]http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtqa;a=tree;f=misc; #
templates used in the widget suite so far
[24] http://git.webvm.net/?p=wgtqa;a=tree;f=misc;
Marcos: we'll see if there are templates we can contribute
Wilhelm: and maybe even test cases
Kai: what about licensing?
<dom:>Note that tests developed during this event will be made under
the Policies for Contribution of Test Cases to W3C - in particular,
contributors that do not belong to the W3C Web Applications Working
Group or the W3C Mobile Web Test Suites Working Group will need to
agree with the terms of the Grant of License for Contributed Test
Cases Published Outside a W3C Recommendation.
<dom:>[25]http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases
[25] http://www.w3.org/2004/10/27-testcases
<dom:>[26]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/testgrants2-200409/
[26] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/testgrants2-200409/
<dom:>[as linked from
[27]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/widget-test/ ]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/widget-test/
ACTION-65?
<trackbot> ACTION-65 -- Kai Hendry to take a pass at updating test
plan table -- due 2009-07-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/65
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/65
Kai: I did that
close ACTION-65
<trackbot> ACTION-65 Take a pass at updating test plan table closed
WCTMB2
ACTION-55?
<trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look at WCTMB2
ideas -- due 2009-06-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/55
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/55
<dom_scribe> [30]Wilhelm's announce of possible mockup for WCTMB2
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jul/0012.html
close ACTION-55
<trackbot> ACTION-55 Look at WCTMB2 ideas closed
Wilhelm: would need feedback on the proposal, as well as new
technologies, and concrete test code
Kai: would be interesting to get tests from webkit layout code
... I could look into that
<dom_scribe> [31]# WCTMB2 Mockup
[31] http://people.opera.com/wilhelmja/wctmb2/
Wilhelm: one of the principles in the current mockup is that you can
get teh results through the scripting
... would that be applicable here?
Kai: can't tell just now
... have you looked at them?
Wilhelm: I haven't studied them closely
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to submit proposals for WCTMB2 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Submit proposals for WCTMB2 [on Kai
Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to review WCTMB2 proposal [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Review WCTMB2 proposal [on Dominique
Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-08-04].
Blog
ACTION-57?
<trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Kai Hendry to propose another blog on
widgets testing -- due 2009-06-16 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/57
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/57
Wilhelm: we'll also have my article later on
Dom: what about blogging about the Dusseldorf event?
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget
testing [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Draft blog post about Dusseldorf
widget testing [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-08-04].
OMA
ACTION-21?
<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's
feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21
ACTION-14?
<trackbot> ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at
OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14
<dom_scribe> [38]Dom's review on new OMA XHTML test suites
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2009Jun/0002.html
Next meetings (August meetings)
Wilhelm: I'll be away much of August; maybe available next week
Dom: same here
Kai: works for me
RESOLUTION: meeting next week, but no other meetings in August
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to review WCTMB2 proposal [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Dom to update the test plan with the latest assertions
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to draft blog post about Dusseldorf widget testing
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to submit proposals for WCTMB2 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Kai to work with Marcos on developing templates and
contributions guide [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2009/07/28-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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