- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:34:14 +0100
- To: public-mwts@w3.org
Hi, The minutes of our call today are available at: http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html linked from: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/ and copied as text below. Dom ------------------------ Mobile Web Test Suites WG Teleconf 6 Mar 2007 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-irc Attendees Present Carmelo, dom, dsilaev, Till, Allen Regrets David, Rooks, Andrea Chair Dom Scribe carmelo Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging 2. [6]Open testing framework for the Mobile Web 3. [7]Next teleconf * [8]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Mobile Web Test Suites survey and re-packaging Test framework <dom> [9]Carmelo's test suite framework [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/att-0029/mwi-test-framework.html Carmelo: conceived a few years ago, modified along time ... used with XSLT, XML Query ... modified a bit more to use in our effort ... not complete, looking for feedback ... Basically, it defines an XML file that describe a collection of test suites ... each "test-collections" element describes a test suite ... in our case, a test-collection element could point to the CSS MP test suite ... each test-collection can have one or many "test-group"(s), with a URL, a title and a description ... within each test group, one or more test-case that uniquely identifies a test case, with a name, a scenario (e.g. negative test, error triggering test, comparison test, visual test) ... a description, a spec-citation refering back to the spec ... possibly input/output files depending on the test ... (cf the example at the end of the document) ... Looking for feedback ... This would allow us to track a comprehensive list of tests ... There is a schema associated with that format that allows validation ... and there is an XSLT to render it in HTML <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in [10]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [10] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] Dmitri: is this XML format extensible to contain link to results coming out of test execution? Carmelo: the XML file would link to test output files Dmitri: we may need more extensibility to record more data (e.g. on which devices it applies) ... but looks good for now <dom> ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [ONGOING] [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09 Allen proposed and described a possible schema to navigate the test suite based on Tests ID's <dom> ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] <dom> ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05] DOM Test Suite <dom> ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02 Dom had very little success with DOM <dom> [16]Getting the DOM Test suite to work on mobile devices [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0001.html <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] Carmelo explained a bit how the DOM test suite is organized (interms of XML instances) <dom> ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] CSS Test Suite <dom> ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] [19] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01 <dom> [20]WCSS test suite survey from Till [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Mar/0002.html <Zakim> dom, you wanted to ask for a comparison with the CSS Mobile Profile test suite Till - Explained analysis of CSS Test Suite. He ran on his phone and found it very well structeure and well put together. High quality test suite. Till: WCSS test suite quite better than CSS Mobile Profile test suite; coverage is 98% (vs ~80% for CSS MP) and of high quality ... relies less on font tricks or colors ... I think we should focus on the WCSS test suite - political matters aside <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [ONGOING] [21] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07 Carmelo: will send notes I took on this <dom> ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] [22] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07 <dom> [23]Cooperating on improving the CSS MP Test Suite? [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2007Mar/0000.html dom: how should we proceed, given Till's analysis? Till: I think we're interested in both ... I don't think we should forget CSS MP, but maybe not put too much effort in it Dom: more to the point, would you be willing to put some of your time in improving this test suite? Till: would be willing to, but it's not clear this is the way to go ... maybe we should survey the group on what is the proper way to go Dom: maybe bind that to the feedback we get from other ua dev? <dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12] Open testing framework for the Mobile Web <dom> ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE] [25] http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08 <dom> [26]Announcement of survey [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2007Feb/0032.html <dom> [27]On-going results of the survey [27] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/mwits/results?view=compact Dom: Please help advertize the survey as widely as possible; it will stay open until March 16 Next teleconf Dom: beware of change of time for Europeans (one hour earlier) ... Also, I'll likely be away on March 20. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to look into transforming the XML into javascript files for making them easier to run on mobile devices [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Carmelo to send a pointer to how his framework is used in XML Query test suite [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to ask for feedback on the mailing list about WCSS vs CSS MP Test Suite? [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action12] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to try and get in touch with user agent developers (OpenWave and Nokia) [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Dom to work on prototype of test navigation/results recording based on Allen's proposal [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Till to get feedback from his Opera colleagues on making the Javascript more usable on mobile devices [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/03/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [PENDING] ACTION: Allen to explore the possibility to have a wrapper for the test suites [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action09] [PENDING] ACTION: Carmelo to take a closer look at CSS for coverage [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: Carmelo to send his multi-test suite cataloguing system to the mailing list [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] ACTION: Dom to get feedback on the open test suite on authoring practices from content developers [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action08] [DONE] ACTION: Dom to get in touch with the CSS WG on cooperating on the test suite [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] ACTION: Dom to run DOM test suites on his phones [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/06-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [DONE] ACTION: till to review the WCSS test suite [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/02/27-mwts-minutes.html#action01]
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