- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:35:46 +0100
- To: "'Prabhas Pokharel'" <prabhas@mobileactive.org>, "'Slim Amamou'" <slim@alixsys.com>
- Cc: "'Shwetank Dixit'" <shwetankd@opera.com>, "'Prashanth'" <prashanth@akmin.com>, "'Stephane Boyera'" <boyera@w3.org>, <public-mw4d@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <02b601cb3403$dafef7c0$90fce740$@org>
I wrote a blog post that may be helpful for this discussion. It's just basic notes. You can find it at http://rishida.net/blog/?p=445 RI ============ Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/ From: public-mw4d-request@w3.org [mailto:public-mw4d-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida Sent: 04 August 2010 15:34 To: 'Prabhas Pokharel'; 'Slim Amamou' Cc: 'Shwetank Dixit'; 'Prashanth'; 'Stephane Boyera'; public-mw4d@w3.org Subject: RE: After Access – Challenges Facing Mobile-OnlyInternet Users in the Developing World Prahbas, Your test for font linking is likely to produce unexpected results, since most browsers will fall back to the default font for Devanagari if the font download doesn't work. The same default font you are relying on for the devanagari text below. (And by the way, this is nothing to do with HTML5, it is CSS that provides the support for font downloads.) You can find some tests for the various forms of font download at http://www.w3.org/International/tests/tests-html-css/list-fonts There is also a summary of results for those tests on recent browsers at http://www.w3.org/International/tests/tests-html-css/tests-webfonts/results-webfonts Hope that helps, RI PS: I will try to shed some light on other aspects of this thread in a short while. ============ Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) http://www.w3.org/International/ http://rishida.net/ From: public-mw4d-request@w3.org [mailto:public-mw4d-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Prabhas Pokharel Sent: 08 July 2010 13:55 To: Slim Amamou Cc: Shwetank Dixit; Prashanth; Stephane Boyera; public-mw4d@w3.org Subject: Re: After Access – Challenges Facing Mobile-OnlyInternet Users in the Developing World Slim, Thanks for that tip. I put up a quick demo of HTML5 devanagari font support at http://prabhasp.com/devanagari.html Its not very tricky at all, if you look at the source, it should be pretty simple to figure out. Turns out the HTML5-font support is not perfect, however. The first line is HTML5-embedded font, and the second line is non-embedded (should use the font on your computer; works fine on my laptop). The complex letter ??? is not rendered properly in the HTML5 embed (despite being fine when firefox renders it using the same font). --prabhas pokharel On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Slim Amamou <slim@alixsys.com> wrote: Fonts problem is already appropriately solved in HTML5. All major browsers accept TrueType and OpenType fonts in their last releases. My Android phone (samsung galaxy spica) has a stripped down browser, but I expect Nexus one to handle it correctly already. You can try it here : http://alixsys.com (white on black titles should display in a stencil font) On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Prabhas Pokharel <prabhas@mobileactive.org> wrote: Shwetank, I got super excited when I heard that, but I just tried browsing those sites on Opera Mini 5 beta on my Android phone (Nexus One, running Froyo, bought in the US), and the unicode fonts at aajtak.com (or a few other sites I tried) don't display properly. If it will after configuration, that could be huge! Let me know, Prabhas On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Shwetank Dixit <shwetankd@opera.com> wrote: This has at least *partly* have to do with the way developers include fonts in web pages. If the page uses Unicode, then at least in Opera Mini and Mobile (and most probably, most other major mobile browsers), there shouldn't be a problem (for example, aajtak.com uses unicode to display hindi fonts, works fine) However, many people use .EOT fonts to display regional indian language text in web pages. The problem with that is that .EOT fonts only work with Internet Explorer, and thus can't be displayed properly even by other desktop browsers, let alone mobile ones. Prashant: I don't know whether the local indian language fonts on mobisitegalore use unicode or not. If it does, and it still doesn't display properly on Opera Mini/mobile, then please let me know off-list, and I'll investigate the issue further. On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:20:27 +0530, Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org> wrote: Hi Prashanth, This is a very good point. I believe that there is not much attention from the I18N community on the support of languages in mobile browser. This is something that i've on my agenda. As a first step i discussed recently with a colleague and we will develop a doc around the key elements to deliver content in a specific languages. Steph Le 06/07/2010 04:42, Prashanth a écrit : Dear Stephane, As far as India is concerned the biggest issue is rendering of local language fonts in the mobile browsers. Note that I am not even pointing to user having to key in text in local languages, but very unfortunately the Indian fonts do not even get displayed in the mobile browser. Today we have over 80,000 mobile websites created using our tool www.mobisitegalore.com and over 50% come from India, but there is no way that they can created a mobile website in Hindi or Tamil because the fonts would just not render in the mobile browser. This is an important missing link as most people in India cannot read English. Warm regards S.Prashanth CEO www.akmin.com On 05-Jul-2010 5:17 PM, Stephane Boyera wrote: Dear All, i want to share with you a very good paper from S. Gitau, J. Donner and G. Marsden. The paper is attached References are: Gitau, Shikoh, Marsden, Gary, & Donner, Jonathan. (2010). After access - Challenges facing mobile-only internet users in the developing world. Proceedings of the 28th international conference on human factors in computing systems (CHI 2010) (pp. 2603-2606). New York: ACM. One of the first papers i see focusing on the barriers of using mobile web in developing countries by people without PC access and experience. Some good suggestions for operators and other players. Steph -- Shwetank Dixit Web Evangelist, Site Compatibility / Developer Relations / Consumer Products Group Member - W3C Mobile Web for Social Development (MW4D) Group Member - Web Standards Project (WaSP) - International Liaison Group Opera Software - www.opera.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ -- Prabhas Pokharel MobileActive.org prabhas@mobileactive.org +1 347 948 7654 skype/twitter: prabhasp http://mobileactive.org -- A global network of people using mobile technology for social impact. -- Slim Amamou | سليم عمامو http://alixsys.com -- Prabhas Pokharel MobileActive.org prabhas@mobileactive.org +1 347 948 7654 skype/twitter: prabhasp http://mobileactive.org -- A global network of people using mobile technology for social impact. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2987 - Release Date: 07/07/10 19:38:00 No virus found in this incoming message. 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