RE: Combining staff positions (additional range?)

Thank you, Sergio!

Thank you for the MusicXML suggestion.

I'm not really looking for a score reader, but your app looks great and I'll recommend it to my colleagues who are performers.

Best,
Paul

From: Sergio Peñalver <sergio@blackbinder.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:54 PM
To: Michael Good <mgood@makemusic.com>; Lombardi, Paul M <Paul.Lombardi@usd.edu>
Cc: Daniel Spreadbury <D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de>; Freeman Gilmore <freeman.gilmore@gmail.com>; Glenn Linderman <v+smufl@g.nevcal.com>; public-music-notation@w3.org; Gorka Urzaiz <gorka@blackbinder.net>
Subject: Re: Combining staff positions (additional range?)

Hi Paul,

I agree with Michael that it is interesting that you maintain a high quality of export to MusicXML. That's what will allow you to keep your files compatible in the future.

I work on Blackbinder (https://www.blackbinder.net<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackbinder.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7CPaul.Lombardi%40usd.edu%7Cfd6b377a85b64fb6565108d8ddac7ebb%7C9c36a7d0bf7b49919b78be91a52f0226%7C0%7C0%7C637503080220982194%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DWvqf0hKeRPDXrmzz4z9eNBykPdrBjytmWEPsrduS7Y%3D&reserved=0> ). Our app is 100% score oriented, it's simply a score reader with automatic scrolling so you don't have to scroll through pages.

As you can see, there are many options, I'm happy to give you all the details you need.

Best regards,



De: Michael Good <mgood@makemusic.com<mailto:mgood@makemusic.com>>
Fecha: martes, 2 de marzo de 2021, 18:53
Para: "Lombardi, Paul M" <Paul.Lombardi@usd.edu<mailto:Paul.Lombardi@usd.edu>>
CC: Daniel Spreadbury <D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de<mailto:D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de>>, Freeman Gilmore <freeman.gilmore@gmail.com<mailto:freeman.gilmore@gmail.com>>, Glenn Linderman <v+smufl@g.nevcal.com<mailto:v+smufl@g.nevcal.com>>, "public-music-notation@w3.org<mailto:public-music-notation@w3.org>" <public-music-notation@w3.org<mailto:public-music-notation@w3.org>>
Asunto: Re: Combining staff positions (additional range?)
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Fecha de nuevo envío: martes, 2 de marzo de 2021, 18:52

Hi Paul,

In addition to the suggestions from Daniel and Arshia, you may want to look at some apps that specialize in music theory and music education, if you haven't already.

For music theory I'm thinking of apps like Breezin' Thru and Artusi. For music education I'm thinking of apps like SmartMusic and Soundslice, along with many others. (Full disclosure: I work on SmartMusic and co-chair Adrian works on Soundslice.)

If the app you choose lets you edit music, I recommend making sure that it also has high-quality MusicXML export. That will let you move from one app to another if you find something that better meets your needs in the future.

Best regards,

Michael Good
VP of MusicXML Technologies
MakeMusic, Inc.


On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:04 PM, Lombardi, Paul M <Paul.Lombardi@usd.edu<mailto:Paul.Lombardi@usd.edu>> wrote:

Hello! I don't post here often, but I do follow, and I apologize for replying to an old post.

I teach online music theory classes, and I am moving more of my content from pdf to html5/javascript using svg for music notation. I'm looking at Vexflow, and I like it. I have two questions:

Would one recommend Vexflow over Verovio?

Will the technology be sustainable for a decade?

Thanks,
Paul

Paul Lombardi, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Music Theory and Composition
University of South Dakota





From: Daniel Spreadbury <D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de<mailto:D.Spreadbury@steinberg.de>>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: Freeman Gilmore <freeman.gilmore@gmail.com<mailto:freeman.gilmore@gmail.com>>; Glenn Linderman <v+smufl@g.nevcal.com<mailto:v+smufl@g.nevcal.com>>
Cc: public-music-notation@w3.org<mailto:public-music-notation@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Combining staff positions (additional range?)

Hi all, and Happy New Year to all CG members.

The goal of Bravura Text (and of SMuFL text-centric fonts more generally) is not really to permit the creation of completely arbitrary notation using strings of Unicode code points. As Glenn points out, really the idea is to be able to do simple musical examples (c.f. the Bach musicological font), but primarily it's to have common musical symbols available in a font with metrics compatible with regular text fonts, so that you can easily add them without then experiencing massive changes in line height/leading.

If you want to create arbitrary notation on the web, I'd suggest using one of the existing libraries for drawing music notation in web pages, e.g. Vexflow or Verovio.

Daniel

From: Freeman Gilmore <freeman.gilmore@gmail.com<mailto:freeman.gilmore@gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 31 December 2020 at 06:04
To: Glenn Linderman <v+smufl@g.nevcal.com<mailto:v+smufl@g.nevcal.com>>
Cc: public-music-notation@w3.org<mailto:public-music-notation@w3.org> <public-music-notation@w3.org<mailto:public-music-notation@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Combining staff positions (additional range?)


On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 11:53 PM Glenn Linderman <v+smufl@g.nevcal.com<mailto:v%2Bsmufl@g.nevcal.com>> wrote:
On 12/30/2020 8:45 PM, Daniel Leeman wrote:
Let's say I am a tuba player and I want to play my low Bb (Bb1), or a flute player and I want to play a D6..

These notes are considered part of the core range of the instruments and are not written as 8va or 8vb.

It appears to me that there is no way to express these pitches with SMuFL/Bravura Text in a text editor, is that correct? I tried to combine multiple staff position characters together with no success: Combining staff positions (U+EB90-U+EB9F)

Forgive me, as a new member of the community, is using a font like Bravura Text in a web page (not a music notation program) a goal of the technology? I love the potential of it: creating small components to natively display notation on a website. But perhaps I am alone in my endeavors as the primary goal is focused solely around notation programs. I'd love to learn more!

It seems that Bravura Text is really only meant for toy examples in text editors/word processors. For complete notation, Bravura and some software to do line drawing is required.
Not sure why  line drawing.   It is not a toy in my opinion it will print the staff.   Is that the line you are talking about?

In a browser, it is pretty straightfoward to bundle small components using Bravura and SVG, and deploy them on an SVG drawn staff as appropriate.

Glenn
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