Re: MNX-Common Layout Model

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Dominik

Am 09.04.2018 um 12:19 schrieb capella-software Dr. Dominik Hörnel:
> Hello Joe,
> 
> thank you for sharing your interesting ideas about the MNX layout model. Unfortunately I won't be able to come to the Frankfurt meeting this year to hear your talk about the layout model (I hope there will be a video). Therefore I would like to express some thoughts here.
> 
> I like your definition of levels to define the steps towards a final layout model. We might quickly agree that the MNX layout model should go beyond level 2 which defines the current state of MusicXML. But I think it is good question to ask whether we should immediately attack the highest level ("Algorithmic Layout") when defining the layout model for the first version of MNX. In the end there should be a well-defined algorithmic layout definition. But my expectation is that defining the rules that govern this layout algorithm will require a lot of discussions and refinements. This will be a tough and time-consuming process. Therefore I could imagine that it is a good idea to start with level 3 ("Explicit Space Requirements") and maybe some ideas of level 4 ("Algorithmic Space Requirements") for the first MNX version and gradually add the definition of style parameters for the algorithmic part for the next version(s).
> 
> While you are focusing on horizontal positioning in your presentation, I believe that the definition of vertical space requirement should play an important role in the first MNX version as well. The definition of boxes is a good starting point that should go for both horizontal and vertical space requirements. It will be interesting to see how the boxes model works with directions or more complex elements such as ties and slurs.
> 
> Looking forward to more discussions on the topic.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Dominik
> 
> Am 04.04.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Joe Berkovitz:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> One of our major topics for our Frankfurt meeting is to explore how we might standardize the layout of Common Western Music Notation. This emerged as an important theme during our NAMM meeting in January, at which multiple members expressed a strong interest in making detailed layout decisions highly portable between applications, with little or no loss of engraving style. Music publishers and engravers were particularly vocal on this subject.
>> 
>> The goal of such an effort would not be to force all applications to give music an identical appearance, of course. Rather, the goal would be for a producer application to encode the information that governs its particular layout decisions, in such a way that a consumer application can reliably reproduce the look of the music despite reflowing, further editing, and so on.
>> 
>> As a way of jump-starting the conversation and giving us a common vocabulary, I'll be presenting some slides at NAMM that lay out some possible approaches and a language for talking about them. The co-chairs felt it would be a good idea to get this out there before the meeting so folks have a chance to digest. You can access the presentation here:
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UENOaOSboNjdImDhmxbS1TrcM5gnJoqSOXb7w1lcVCY/edit?usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1UENOaOSboNjdImDhmxbS1TrcM5gnJoqSOXb7w1lcVCY/edit?usp=sharing>
>> 
>> The CG contains many experts who have worked on music layout, and I hope that no one will take this as a prescription to approach the subject in one particular way. However, I believe that beginning with a common vocabulary and perspective can help us examine the larger issues in play, even if we are not agreed on the details.
>> 
>> I have also added this link to issue 13 (https://github.com/w3c/mnx/issues/13 <https://github.com/w3c/mnx/issues/13>) which tracks the overall topic.
>> 
>> Thanks, and I look forward to seeing you all in Frankfurt!
>> 
>> Best,
>> .            .       .    .  . ...Joe
>> 
>> Joe Berkovitz
>> Risible LLC
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