Re: mismatch of html translate and ITS translate

Am 22.02.13 10:48, schrieb Karl Fritsche:
> Hi all,
>
> On 22.02.2013 10:33, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>> Hi Karl,
>>
>> one process thing: please keep the www-international list in the 
>> loop, since the i18n guys will need to look into the issue too. One 
>> comment below.
>>
>> Am 22.02.13 10:27, schrieb Karl Fritsche:
>>> On 22.02.2013 10:16, Jirka Kosek wrote:
>>>> On 22.2.2013 6:55, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What would your preference be for resolving this:
>>>>> - asking HTML5 to change its semantics
>>>> I think that HTML5 spec should be changed and attributes should be
>>>> removed from translation. Or as a compromise only title and alt
>>>> attributes should be considered as translateable.
>>>>
>>>>             Jirka
>>>>
>>> The Problem in HTML5 is, you don't have any option to allow 
>>> translation of attributes.
>>
>> But where do you need this, except title and alt?
>>
>>> We can use rules, but this doesn't exists in HTML5. Thats why they 
>>> using this behavior, I think.
>>
>> Actually implementations don't use this - I checked the online MT 
>> translation systems that do HTML translation, and they don't 
>> translate attributes.
>>
>>> And to say some attributes are considered to be translatable and 
>>> others not, would be very confusing. Specially what are you doing 
>>> with data-* attributes - are they are translatable or not? Thats why 
>>> I think they considered everything as translatable and the 
>>> translation software should handle this. 
>>
>> So you are saying we should disalign ITS XML "translate" versus HTML 
>> "translate"? What will happen then for workflows like with 
>> Linguaserve, who do XML processing of XHTML files as part of their 
>> workflow chain?
>
> No, we should definitely find a solution, which in the best case is 
> the same for ITS and HTML. Only wanted to clarify, that maybe somebody 
> want also translate his data-* attribute, but in HTML5 you can't 
> specify, which attribute should be translated and which not.

Ah, I see - sorry for not reading carefully.

I'd say that this is something which when just doesn't work for HTML - 
people have to use global rules for that. But we should people make 
aware of the limitation.

Best,

Felix

>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Felix
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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