- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:58:05 +0100
- To: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
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... are at http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html and below as text. - Felix [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - MLW-LT WG 19 Nov 2012 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0136.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-irc Attendees Present fsasaki, shaunm, joerg, DaveL, petasis, Ankit, Arle, Jirka, chriLi, DomJones, Yves, leroy, kfritsche, Milan, mauricio, philr, fredrik, giuseppe, pnietoca, mdelolmo Regrets Olaf-Michael, DavidF, pedro Chair fsasaki Scribe daveL, fsasaki Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Roll call 2. [6]Timeline 3. [7]mtconfidence 4. [8]"confidence score" proposal 5. [9]Rename "translation provenance" 6. [10]Tool information 7. [11]For the editors: Pedro's text 8. [12]Global rule action items 9. [13]global rules for qa issue 10. [14]Disambiguation section health check 11. [15]Review of edits 12. [16]localization quality precis 13. [17]aob * [18]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ Roll call Done Timeline <fsasaki> [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0081.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0081.html <fsasaki> [20]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG 5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0 [20] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0 felix: thanks for yves, dom and leroy on advancing testsuite ... any comments on further progress to milestones dom: some divergence in dates in different places ... also have webinar planned ... but will plan out key dates update thursday with Leroy ... and will publish new dates on steps through published testsuite files, revision deadlines etc by Friday leroy: next version still need stable test files for provenance and disambiguation felix: asks in updated plan, will we have all tests run by march workshop? leroy: think this is an acceptable timeframe, with enough time for all impementers to test this out dom; hope there should only be small correction to implementations, not to the test suite felix; important that implementors signal if they need more time to hit this test deadline, so we can manage the presentaiton of this mtconfidence felix: asks arle when we can make update in [21]action-287 [21] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/287 arle: can try and finish by tomorrow tuesday "confidence score" proposal <fsasaki> [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0112.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0112.html <fsasaki> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0101.html [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0101.html felix: asks is everyone is happy in 0101 mail? <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to edit 101 mail into spec [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Edit 101 mail into spec [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26]. <fsasaki> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0120.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html <scribe> ACTION: felix to update confidence scores input [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Update confidence scores input [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26]. felix: agreement, will add these in Rename "translation provenance" <fsasaki> [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0115.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0115.html <fsasaki> [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0139.html [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0139.html <fsasaki> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0120.html [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html felix: can we put these proposals into draft <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to put 120 mail to provenance into the draft [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Put 120 mail to provenance into the draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26]. yves; agrees jorge; agrees Tool information <fsasaki> [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0078.html [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0078.html <fsasaki> ACTION: felix to edit tool information into the draft [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Edit tool information into the draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26]. For the editors: Pedro's text <fsasaki> [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0034.html [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0034.html felix: mail on allowed characters and use to restrict markup ... looking for co-editor to put that into the draft yves: can do this <fsasaki> ACTION: arle to edit the 0034 mail about allowed characters [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Edit the 0034 mail about allowed characters [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-11-26]. arle: can also Global rule action items felix; actions related to loc qual precis (action-295), mt-confidence (action-296) and domain scribe: any feedback on loc qual rules ... looking for real life examples phil: not sure I have use cases for it in global rules felix; this is also a statement, but let keep action open for another week <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki dave: one reason for global rules: ... are they e.g. used for attribute text ... not sure if it would apply in this case ... for MTConfidence score it seems to be a strong case <scribe> scribe: daveL global rules for qa issue <fsasaki> [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0103.html [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0103.html <fsasaki> "locQualityIssuesRefPointer" felix: yves reviewed these rules, but concluded that only one pointer attribute was needed - for stand off ... but don't need other pointer attirbutes yves: confirms ... and as there are no views to the contrary will remove the pointer rules <scribe> ACTION: yves to remove pointer attributes from locquality issues as per 0103 mail [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Remove pointer attributes from locquality issues as per 0103 mail [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-11-26]. Disambiguation section health check <fsasaki> [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0132.html [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0132.html <fsasaki> [38]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i ts20/its20.html#Disambiguation [38] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Disambiguation felix: thanks to jorge, yves and others working on that section ... proposed keeping only global pointers and remove other rules and simplified local selectors yves; only change to default for granularity value and I can do that felix: but do we need this ins the section6 table, since this is default when the annotation is not present even, as with translate ... so only need to specify default in the data cat section, since it only needs a default if the annotation is present <fsasaki> [39]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i ts20/its20.html#datacategories-overview [39] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-overview yves: agrees, it onyl need to be added to data category <chriLi> I would need to understand if termNote and disambiguation are meant to be orthogonal concepts chriLi; not with this long enough to comment, but asks how disambiguation is related to existing data cats from 1.0 such at terminology <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki dave: we kept them separate ... since we had use cases ... where disambiguation might feed directly into an MT process ... there is no process taht would use the terminology data category ... it was more to accomodate combination of text analytics with MT ... we may not formally be recording a phrase that is identifiyed as disambiguation ... as something that goes into the term base joerg: there are a lot of use cases where you need to do disambiguation without terminology identification <daveL> scribe: daveL felix: would like to put this into the note <scribe> ACTION: daveL to provide a note on this use of disambiguation with support from jorge [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Provide a note on this use of disambiguation with support from jorge [on David Lewis - due 2012-11-26]. chriLi: further question, when we are talking about notes, are these for an annotated version of the specification as with its1.0 felix: these are non normative notes in the spec <chriLi> I was referring to this type of annotated document [41]http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm [41] http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm felix: but assume we will do more work on assembling a best practice document that assmebles this non normative stuff ... this could be an annotated version of the spec (a good idea) or a separate document need to be decided ... need to decide this is a few week, though don't have a specific opinion on this at the moment Review of edits <fsasaki> [42]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i ts20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023 [42] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023 felix: there are a number of small edits form 6-12 <fsasaki> [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0116.html [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0116.html <scribe> ACTION: daveL to check these edits and in 0116 mail. [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Check these edits and in 0116 mail. [on David Lewis - due 2012-11-26]. localization quality precis <fsasaki> [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb- lt/2012Nov/0130.html [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0130.html phil: as per mail, originally to hold summary level info hence the name, but not tied to this name, happy to have something similar ... for example Frederick comment on vote, which it makes sense to include <Fredrik> I Felix, I'm here, I was more so just wondering what the status was in general. phil: it started as 'profile' but wasn't quite the right meaning arle; can we go back to 'summary' phil; agrees <Arle> localizationQualitySummary <fsasaki> localizationQualitySummary vs. localizationQualityIssue felix; suggest we rrn to this and if no objections make this change form precis to 'summary' aob <fsasaki> [46]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Mai n_Page#Upcoming [46] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Main_Page#Upcoming People participating in editing call on Tuesday <Arle> Arle <Yves_> yves <kfritsche> kfritsche <Jirka> Jirka <Arle> Actually, strike me from the list. <fsasaki> felix <Arle> I have a conflict :-( daveL on provenance, and checking how mtconfidence, confidence scores and itstools turn out, plus working in intro sections <Yves_> +1 on Dave's list felix: will try and with arle to rmake sure these are uptodate and have group review of these sections ... going through editors notes ... thanks everyone for todau and talk to you tomorrow or next week <fsasaki> adjourn Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: arle to edit the 0034 mail about allowed characters [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: daveL to check these edits and in 0116 mail. [recorded in [48]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: daveL to provide a note on this use of disambiguation with support from jorge [recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: felix to edit 101 mail into spec [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: felix to edit tool information into the draft [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: felix to put 120 mail to provenance into the draft [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: felix to update confidence scores input [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: yves to remove pointer attributes from locquality issues as per 0103 mail [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [55]scribe.perl version 1.137 ([56]CVS log) $Date: 2012-11-19 19:41:21 $ [55] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [56] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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