- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:58:05 +0100
- To: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
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- Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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MLW-LT WG
19 Nov 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0136.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
fsasaki, shaunm, joerg, DaveL, petasis, Ankit, Arle,
Jirka, chriLi, DomJones, Yves, leroy, kfritsche, Milan,
mauricio, philr, fredrik, giuseppe, pnietoca, mdelolmo
Regrets
Olaf-Michael, DavidF, pedro
Chair
fsasaki
Scribe
daveL, fsasaki
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Roll call
2. [6]Timeline
3. [7]mtconfidence
4. [8]"confidence score" proposal
5. [9]Rename "translation provenance"
6. [10]Tool information
7. [11]For the editors: Pedro's text
8. [12]Global rule action items
9. [13]global rules for qa issue
10. [14]Disambiguation section health check
11. [15]Review of edits
12. [16]localization quality precis
13. [17]aob
* [18]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Roll call
Done
Timeline
<fsasaki>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0081.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0081.html
<fsasaki>
[20]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG
5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
[20] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgIk0-aoSKOadG5HQmJDT2EybWVvVC1VbnF5alN2S3c#gid=0
felix: thanks for yves, dom and leroy on advancing testsuite
... any comments on further progress to milestones
dom: some divergence in dates in different places
... also have webinar planned
... but will plan out key dates update thursday with Leroy
... and will publish new dates on steps through published
testsuite files, revision deadlines etc by Friday
leroy: next version still need stable test files for provenance
and disambiguation
felix: asks in updated plan, will we have all tests run by
march workshop?
leroy: think this is an acceptable timeframe, with enough time
for all impementers to test this out
dom; hope there should only be small correction to
implementations, not to the test suite
felix; important that implementors signal if they need more
time to hit this test deadline, so we can manage the
presentaiton of this
mtconfidence
felix: asks arle when we can make update in [21]action-287
[21] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/287
arle: can try and finish by tomorrow tuesday
"confidence score" proposal
<fsasaki>
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0112.html
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0112.html
<fsasaki>
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0101.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0101.html
felix: asks is everyone is happy in 0101 mail?
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to edit 101 mail into spec [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-298 - Edit 101 mail into spec [on
Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
<fsasaki>
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0120.html
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html
<scribe> ACTION: felix to update confidence scores input
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-299 - Update confidence scores input
[on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
felix: agreement, will add these in
Rename "translation provenance"
<fsasaki>
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0115.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0115.html
<fsasaki>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0139.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0139.html
<fsasaki>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0120.html
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0120.html
felix: can we put these proposals into draft
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to put 120 mail to provenance into the
draft [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-300 - Put 120 mail to provenance into
the draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
yves; agrees
jorge; agrees
Tool information
<fsasaki>
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0078.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0078.html
<fsasaki> ACTION: felix to edit tool information into the draft
[recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-301 - Edit tool information into the
draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-11-26].
For the editors: Pedro's text
<fsasaki>
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0034.html
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0034.html
felix: mail on allowed characters and use to restrict markup
... looking for co-editor to put that into the draft
yves: can do this
<fsasaki> ACTION: arle to edit the 0034 mail about allowed
characters [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - Edit the 0034 mail about
allowed characters [on Arle Lommel - due 2012-11-26].
arle: can also
Global rule action items
felix; actions related to loc qual precis (action-295),
mt-confidence (action-296) and domain
scribe: any feedback on loc qual rules
... looking for real life examples
phil: not sure I have use cases for it in global rules
felix; this is also a statement, but let keep action open for
another week
<fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
dave: one reason for global rules:
... are they e.g. used for attribute text
... not sure if it would apply in this case
... for MTConfidence score it seems to be a strong case
<scribe> scribe: daveL
global rules for qa issue
<fsasaki>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0103.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0103.html
<fsasaki> "locQualityIssuesRefPointer"
felix: yves reviewed these rules, but concluded that only one
pointer attribute was needed - for stand off
... but don't need other pointer attirbutes
yves: confirms
... and as there are no views to the contrary will remove the
pointer rules
<scribe> ACTION: yves to remove pointer attributes from
locquality issues as per 0103 mail [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Remove pointer attributes from
locquality issues as per 0103 mail [on Yves Savourel - due
2012-11-26].
Disambiguation section health check
<fsasaki>
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0132.html
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0132.html
<fsasaki>
[38]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#Disambiguation
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#Disambiguation
felix: thanks to jorge, yves and others working on that section
... proposed keeping only global pointers and remove other
rules and simplified local selectors
yves; only change to default for granularity value and I can do
that
felix: but do we need this ins the section6 table, since this
is default when the annotation is not present even, as with
translate
... so only need to specify default in the data cat section,
since it only needs a default if the annotation is present
<fsasaki>
[39]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#datacategories-overview
[39] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-overview
yves: agrees, it onyl need to be added to data category
<chriLi> I would need to understand if termNote and
disambiguation are meant to be orthogonal concepts
chriLi; not with this long enough to comment, but asks how
disambiguation is related to existing data cats from 1.0 such
at terminology
<fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
dave: we kept them separate
... since we had use cases
... where disambiguation might feed directly into an MT process
... there is no process taht would use the terminology data
category
... it was more to accomodate combination of text analytics
with MT
... we may not formally be recording a phrase that is
identifiyed as disambiguation
... as something that goes into the term base
joerg: there are a lot of use cases where you need to do
disambiguation without terminology identification
<daveL> scribe: daveL
felix: would like to put this into the note
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to provide a note on this use of
disambiguation with support from jorge [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-304 - Provide a note on this use of
disambiguation with support from jorge [on David Lewis - due
2012-11-26].
chriLi: further question, when we are talking about notes, are
these for an annotated version of the specification as with
its1.0
felix: these are non normative notes in the spec
<chriLi> I was referring to this type of annotated document
[41]http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm
[41] http://www.xml.com/axml/testaxml.htm
felix: but assume we will do more work on assembling a best
practice document that assmebles this non normative stuff
... this could be an annotated version of the spec (a good
idea) or a separate document need to be decided
... need to decide this is a few week, though don't have a
specific opinion on this at the moment
Review of edits
<fsasaki>
[42]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/i
ts20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023
[42] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#changelog-since-20121023
felix: there are a number of small edits form 6-12
<fsasaki>
[43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0116.html
[43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0116.html
<scribe> ACTION: daveL to check these edits and in 0116 mail.
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-305 - Check these edits and in 0116
mail. [on David Lewis - due 2012-11-26].
localization quality precis
<fsasaki>
[45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Nov/0130.html
[45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0130.html
phil: as per mail, originally to hold summary level info hence
the name, but not tied to this name, happy to have something
similar
... for example Frederick comment on vote, which it makes sense
to include
<Fredrik> I Felix, I'm here, I was more so just wondering what
the status was in general.
phil: it started as 'profile' but wasn't quite the right
meaning
arle; can we go back to 'summary'
phil; agrees
<Arle> localizationQualitySummary
<fsasaki> localizationQualitySummary vs.
localizationQualityIssue
felix; suggest we rrn to this and if no objections make this
change form precis to 'summary'
aob
<fsasaki>
[46]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Mai
n_Page#Upcoming
[46] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Main_Page#Upcoming
People participating in editing call on Tuesday
<Arle> Arle
<Yves_> yves
<kfritsche> kfritsche
<Jirka> Jirka
<Arle> Actually, strike me from the list.
<fsasaki> felix
<Arle> I have a conflict :-(
daveL on provenance, and checking how mtconfidence, confidence
scores and itstools turn out, plus working in intro sections
<Yves_> +1 on Dave's list
felix: will try and with arle to rmake sure these are uptodate
and have group review of these sections
... going through editors notes
... thanks everyone for todau and talk to you tomorrow or next
week
<fsasaki> adjourn
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: arle to edit the 0034 mail about allowed
characters [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to check these edits and in 0116 mail.
[recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: daveL to provide a note on this use of
disambiguation with support from jorge [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to edit 101 mail into spec [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to edit tool information into the draft
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to put 120 mail to provenance into the
draft [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: felix to update confidence scores input [recorded
in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: yves to remove pointer attributes from locquality
issues as per 0103 mail [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/19-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
[End of minutes]
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