RE: [EXTERNAL] MATF Minutes November 21, 2022

Regrets for today's meeting, work conflict.

Thank you

Best,
Poornima

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MATF Minutes November 21, 2022

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Text of minutes:Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
21 November 2022
Attendees
Present
jjdg, Kim_patch, Poornima, Sally
Regrets
Jennifer, Mick
Chair
Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
Kim_patch
Contents

  1.  Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements draft note https://www.w3.org/TR/ctaur/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F21-matf-minutes.html%23t01&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=DFAu564ahzKh9TKf3FpyOh0T%2FY25ctRz0CzRWGwB6lY%3D&reserved=0>
  2.  Research<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F21-matf-minutes.html%23t02&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SivQd1XV8oPDzOzHp4rH9DGQiomYYuYlFcWJDIrbl4o%3D&reserved=0>
  3.  Appt update<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F21-matf-minutes.html%23t03&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1Ih7%2B6%2Baxg2CdI%2Bjf4PGe2bNVTzM8Bu96giX8%2BoSROI%3D&reserved=0>
  4.  How WCAG 2.2 relates to mobile spreadsheet<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F21-matf-minutes.html%23t04&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=BS2ZAxS%2F2fEpTpZJjT11zrCAtP8kr695c1mri96MYTc%3D&reserved=0>

Meeting minutes
Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements draft note https://www.w3.org/TR/ctaur/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fctaur%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QhFbdM2Xxckj2f%2FYn8xyQbp%2FbcU8f45wkrUysif4Rfc%3D&reserved=0>

Take a look and post feedback to gitHub

https://github.com/w3c/ctaur/issues<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fctaur%2Fissues&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OAKWK1SfoDKnsv8%2F84ENFpUzKrbXBH4dkEVZo2pEVa0%3D&reserved=0>

Sally: Google more for academics Microsoft more for business. I gravitate to Microsoft

Poornima: GitHub icons are confusing- Sometimes don't know what's going to happen

Sally: cognitive load of using something new or something you don't use every day can become very high

Sally: I would choose something I use just because I know how to use it

Poornima: you will eventually learn but it takes time

Sally: fatigue having to learn and do it the same time

Sally: is there an Is there an automated way to go fromGoogle docs to Microsoft online?

Sally: looks like there is: https://jumpcloud.com/blog/connect-to-both-office-365-g-suite<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjumpcloud.com%2Fblog%2Fconnect-to-both-office-365-g-suite&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YrL7x%2BcOlL%2FmctM9kLb0n%2FSsi%2FVqZWFYoHfU6WGJDLY%3D&reserved=0>

Research

COGA group doing research as well - we will connect with them at some point

Appt update

still working on code examples

JJ: We have a series of interviews people with disabilities and how they use. We also want to do how many members of public use accessibility features.

JJ: it works really well - when developers see someone with a certain disability or using an accessibility feature they get invested in this and they want to develop something. It gets a lot better than plaintext - the videos you can actually see someone using your app - in large full-size or using screenreader.

JJ: we wrote our platform to support mobile - now the other platforms, some of them don't have code examples

JJ: finalizing content this year and go live in January probably

JJ: it will go from beta to just appt

Sally: if you have an accident New Zealand there's more access to funding than if you have a medical condition

Sally: thinking of doing more research on that

<jjdg> Potential removal of SC 4.1.1: https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/2525#issuecomment-1316949146<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fwcag%2Fissues%2F2525%23issuecomment-1316949146&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Z0qM3orINApH4kmbjUHY9yQSy3BzJboi5DhnxYn2IrM%3D&reserved=0>

How WCAG 2.2 relates to mobile spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SM3PY-phoBN4v3PStawv0fYV3RudhuLLLwoGixDOtg/edit?usp=sharing<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1-SM3PY-phoBN4v3PStawv0fYV3RudhuLLLwoGixDOtg%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C0023b81fbd6b4c00afd008dacc0289cb%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638046608525362020%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LiftWPJOhhhGMrKBrOIZAbN23DZJjazsEgWt0JSGDCw%3D&reserved=0>

Discussion tab - Adding 4.1.1 discussion

Note the Web and native columns. It's useful to see the difference.

No meeting next week. Next meeting December 5.


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