RE: [EXTERNAL] MATF Minutes November 7, 2022

Regrets for today's meeting, got a work conflict.

Thank you

Best,
Poornima

From: Kim Patch <kim@scriven.com>
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 1:32 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] MATF Minutes November 7, 2022

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MATF Minutes November 7, 2022

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Text of minutes:
Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
07 November 2022
Attendees
Present
Ilknur, JJ, Kim, Poornima
Regrets
Jennifer, Sally
Chair
Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
Kim_patch
Contents

  1.  introductions<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F07-matf-minutes.html%23t01&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ApOwB5NaDb8NmNQYxKX6m7OJVd%2BqCpNsczFSbFVIWnY%3D&reserved=0>
  2.  appt update<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2022%2F11%2F07-matf-minutes.html%23t02&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vWBXT84OmJzyr7lCcF6Xuqne45gyDrMH%2Fd2ynzRIXtY%3D&reserved=0>

Meeting minutes

<jjdg> Update for: https://beta.appt.org/en<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.appt.org%2Fen&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=payVGaZuU8haG6AUzPM23o1tVOWxXJVQMwdNSLJVlOk%3D&reserved=0>

introductions
appt update

https://beta.appt.org/en<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbeta.appt.org%2Fen&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=payVGaZuU8haG6AUzPM23o1tVOWxXJVQMwdNSLJVlOk%3D&reserved=0>

Overview- Stats, Accessibility docs, Guidelines, articles

code samples, accessibility features - in-depth articles about assistive technologies

All platforms are visible at all times

Link to contribute on Github to code examples

(JJ overview)

JJ: Working on content side now, also more code examples

JJ: added WCAG overview - at a glance

JJ: so where WCAG is lacking examples for native apps - that's where we are giving solutions

JJ: we been adding all the references so everything goes to 2.2 instead of 2.1, and looking at what kind of code examples are relevant to the new success criteria's in 2.2

JJ: also transcripts and videos of users - explaining what barriers they have

Poornima: this looks great - putting everything in one place, well structured, accessibility a developer needs - this looks amazing

Ilknur: Very organized, very clear, hhas what developers need. I'll be exploring this.

JJ: still trying to figure out how to manage difference between docs and articles. One solution docs more like in-depth, articles more like blog

JJ: may add standards such as ADA, Australian guidelines, Apple design guidelines. We may expand in the future

Poornima: suggestion - from W3C we have the mobile accessibility guidelines - maybe that could be included

JJ: maybe ICT as well

<jjdg> Mobile mapping: https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fmobile-accessibility-mapping%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5ByvKluS5ODYpnKtJ5upEa0Lbg6HVUsXuqsd%2Fa%2F%2B87g%3D&reserved=0>

<jjdg> WCAG2ICT: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2Fstandards-guidelines%2Fwcag%2Fnon-web-ict%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=grUqB%2Fx4s6V6JzXzuwFSN6tsrhdYz%2BfPTdo6UmUhFBU%3D&reserved=0>

<Poornima> https://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-accessibility-mapping/<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fmobile-accessibility-mapping%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=5ByvKluS5ODYpnKtJ5upEa0Lbg6HVUsXuqsd%2Fa%2F%2B87g%3D&reserved=0>

<jjdg> Accessible Mobile Apps Weekly newsletter: https://www.getrevue.co/profile/accessible_mobile_apps<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.getrevue.co%2Fprofile%2Faccessible_mobile_apps&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793444093%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Gfo1WZL1Jt2fYoFUoQGMTtc%2Bgr9%2B3qur67nm5LlWDxI%3D&reserved=0>

JJ: maybe we can request a list of issues from Google member

JJ: sometimes it's frustrating because they do a lot with advanced features but sometimes don't support the basics

Poornima: would like to the job easier for expand collapse elements.

Poornima: Added to user constraints as well - accessibility settings

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w17lC7HOT05cIE4tVwcWAgb91bVlWnBAfB97wq7JKTQ/edit#gid=0<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1w17lC7HOT05cIE4tVwcWAgb91bVlWnBAfB97wq7JKTQ%2Fedit%23gid%3D0&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793600330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=W2%2FA396v01%2Bgn8%2BxOGJFgiyPSOURx78CGLwLg7RLRcA%3D&reserved=0>

Poornima: zoom into 200 or 300% some websites I still see it's not passing. Whatever we have in WCAG for the resize text- it's lacking for mobile device

New page on the comparison spreadsheet - taking a look at the 2015 mobile doc, this can help us take a look at what on their ended up in the standard and what might still be missing, and what might not still be relevant

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-SM3PY-phoBN4v3PStawv0fYV3RudhuLLLwoGixDOtg/edit#gid=1232524378<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1-SM3PY-phoBN4v3PStawv0fYV3RudhuLLLwoGixDOtg%2Fedit%23gid%3D1232524378&data=05%7C01%7Cpsubramanian%40hagroup.com%7C225210f7349d41c3f2ac08dac107a1e0%7C9e37b9e905de4906b089536f19689074%7C0%7C0%7C638034535793600330%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=i0OmlX%2B5GqTjRGzKniTVQT2V6jsAr9M85mn2Pnk8p4w%3D&reserved=0>
Next meeting November 14

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Kimberly Patch
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patchontech.com
@patchontech
scriven.com/kimpatch
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