MATF Minutes April 30, 2020

*MATF Minutes April 30, 2020
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Link:https://www.w3.org/2020/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html

Full text of minutes:


  Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference


    30 Apr 2020


    Attendees

Present
    Kim, Kathy, Jonathan
Regrets

Chair
    Kathleen_Wahlbin
Scribe
    Kim_patch


    Contents

  * Topics <https://www.w3.org/2020/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
  * Summary of Action Items
    <https://www.w3.org/2020/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  * Summary of Resolutions
    <https://www.w3.org/2020/04/30-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>


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Kathy: dragging examples?
... slider

Jon: will do

Kathy: dragging examples, we have some pictures in there now. We've got 
several ideas for techniques and also a failure presume, we don't have 
any of them written. But Jonathan if you've got some time it would be 
great for you to read through that and see if you have any suggestions 
for those graphics, or the text that's related to them.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LaVX-RTaLQL0tN4G3NhOTlmj16swt0VzC7ssaAjqIwg/edit#heading=h.mntlv4jvrc29

here's the link for dragging

Kathy: also the techniques and examples list has more

Link for techniques and examples list: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6OBXEJE-5r3_q2OKwDGhGyg5rcfV9kS9-Wthf-3fK8/edit

Kathy: looking for the exception

Jonathan: thinking that might be too lenient

Kathy: we had that in the intent document – we need to write up something

Jonathan: I don't know if it was a problem with just the wording – if 
something is on top of another object you couldn't need to take it into 
account in some way. So I wasn't sure if people had a problem with the 
wording or if it was impossible to do without the exception. If you can 
put in space around something that's not overlapping why can't you put 
space around something that's overtop something by using padding or some 
layer between that [CUT]
... I think people thought it would be too hard to test when something 
was overlaying something you wouldn't know because of responsive design
... my concern is something could pop up that was too narrow

Kathy: we could put a sentence in the intent to say that if you have a 
layer such as emotive dialogue and the user cannot access the 
information behind the layer then you don't need to have this spacing – 
does not apply to the underlying, the background layer

Jonathan: that would make sense because it wouldn't be actionable 
anyways. What about things that aren't mortal – what about a pop-up menu 
that isn't modal. Right now it read like there would be an exception for 
that. I was concerned that from the user perspective maybe that wouldn't 
be good to have an exemption there in that case.

Kathy: what if we change the SC text and said for each active target 
there's an area…

Jonathan: I don't know, might cause confusion about what's an active 
target. We might have to clarify what that is

Kathy: is there another word for that…

Jonathan: exactly, that's why I wondered if it was just wording for 
people rather than actual situation we were trying to solve. There will 
be targets, but if they're not active they shouldn't be taken into account.
... maybe active targets would go after the other targets. You probably 
saw the thread from Wilco as well, definition of target.
... that's one possibility – I'd like to get opinion from people like 
Wilco who probably have very specific interpretations of what is meant 
by target

Kathy: added comment to the document – that might be enough just to 
alleviate this

Jonathan: yes, if it's not a target you just ignore it – makes sense

Kathy: we can bring that up – we may need a definition. It looks like 
were going to talk about target definition anyways

Link to touch target: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sszSUKB8t3VuRzxHtOjLfQZjNYCw-xr_EbuMwW7WiGc

Jonathan: what if you could do it with the keyboard already

Kathy: may not have a keyboard access on all mobile devices

Jonathan: are we saying the keyboard alternative you would have to meet 
that as well?

Kathy: yes

Jonathan: I mention it because I thought wording – mechanism is available

Kathy: mechanism is available to change the height, not for secondary 
control

Jonathan: I'm thinking PowerPoint you can use the thing to rotate the 
image, but there's also a box – spinner control, not just keyboard, 
doesn't require keyboard
... you asked about examples – I was trying to think of resizing things 
that are very small as examples of this
... PowerPoint – I do notice that Microsoft has made for target size. 
There's also downsides of that, maybe this is where the comment in the 
understanding dock that different people have different needs.
... because I need a lower resolution screen all my items in PowerPoint 
are groups – I have to drill down into a layer to access any items on 
the ribbon because there's not enough room for them to be big enough so 
they made them secondary or tertiary levels. So now I have to go through 
a bunch of extra steps to access the same things on the desktop and I 
would normally have – adjust spread things out for me. And so I do 
notice that some[CUT]
... offer a more condensed view, where you can go back and get that view 
– that's a good thing to make it work for everybody

Kathy: can you add that to the understanding?

ACTION on Jonathan, add comment about different users have different 
needs, condensed view nto intent section below pictures

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Kathy: that's it for that – we do need to create some techniques and the 
one failure. The last thing is what we are going to do with the active 
targets and how were going to do that and update the intent
... I think that's it for now, we just have to work on the techniques 
for dragging and also this one


    Summary of Action Items


    Summary of Resolutions

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