MATF Minutes 29 November 2018

*MATF Minutes 29 November 2018 link: 
https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html*
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  Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference


    06 Dec 2018


    Attendees

Present
    kim, Kathy, JakeAbma, MarcJohlic, Detlev
Regrets

Chair
    Kathleen_Wahlbin
Scribe
    kim


    Contents

  * Topics <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
     1. concurrent mechanisms at AAA
        <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#item01>
     2. biometrics
        <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#item02>
     3. Next Steps
        <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#item03>
  * Summary of Action Items
    <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  * Summary of Resolutions
    <https://www.w3.org/2018/12/06-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>


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      concurrent mechanisms at AAA

Kathy: challenge focus indicators different

Kim: using different mechanisms as a mix – mechanisms don't have to know 
about each other, just user using method of choice for any given moment

Jake: just a choice for a person building a specific widget – not that 
one is better than the other it's just a choice.
... focus management must be so that the browser focus as well as the 
accessibility tree focus are on the same point, the same component. This 
is an option you may use if you do have a box with a read-only input 
field so when you start typing it won't change the input field and you 
want the browser focus as well as the mouse focus
... just switch to the next mechanism – two focuses, accessibility focus 
and browser focus
... Google not real combo box browser focuses on but the moment you 
start typing suggest but the mouse focus will be in the accessibility 
tree focus so it's a choice what component you like if those two focuses 
are exactly the same, browser, mouse access tree or you split them – 
that's a choice for what type of component you would like to build and 
those two options are available

Detlev: I completely agree – I wasn't suggesting we restrict things in 
any way but there are different choices depending on the scenario. Good 
or bad choices are trade-offs where one thing is better for – mouse 
focus same as keyboard focus might be best practice but for others is 
distracting just have cursor and anything else there is distraction. So 
a trade-off no clear you must do this or that, and that exactly brings 
me to the point that I still don't[CUT]
... … Understand, what is needed to focus concurrent mechanisms – what 
this actually does. What is the actual requirement. What would you want 
and what might be techniques to meet those. I still don't Quite understand


      biometrics

Kathy: Maybe potentially covered under 1.1.1

Shadi: but biometrics is input – it's different that way, facing camera 
or put your finger. But essentially the same and really simple. I think 
where this came from is when we were talking early this week I was 
saying I'd like to go through the European standard and see what's in 
there. There are some really simple things that are traditionally not 
under web but are now finding more space for this – this biometrics 
thing is under general requirements in [CUT]
... you can now use your finger to login etc. – very closed now, but 
biometrics and authentication mechanisms increasingly used

Detlev: also icon and will put in your password under some conditions – 
I'm not sure what conditions and whether that is something the web 
author can influence – where that comes from I'm not sure

Shadi: whether the author can influence earn or not it's third-party 
aspects. If you are providing such a login method that requires 
fingerprints or face recognition which may not work for you – whatever 
mechanism you provide you should provide alternatives to that.

Detlev: it sounds like a pretty straightforward new success criteria

Next steps – Shadi may have more by January 10 European

Kathy: need to do a summary, list out what we are thinking about for 
people who weren't on the call


      Next Steps

Add any other potential 2.2/silver to spreadsheet.

Note that we also added to the spreadsheet during the call: 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wRAViPfAJ4Ytqc71tGZp6gU07HNd2QQaNgtJsog-D90/edit#gid=0


    Summary of Action Items


    Summary of Resolutions

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