Re: Tweak 2.5.3

+1 The new wording is much improved!  Great meeting yesterday!

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com
> wrote:

> Great job – I like it!  That’s what I was trying to express last call but
> could not so eloquently say.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> Jonathan Avila
>
> Chief Accessibility Officer
> SSB BART Group
> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com
>
> 703.637.8957 (Office)
> Visit us online: Website <http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/> | Twitter
> <https://twitter.com/SSBBARTGroup> | Facebook
> <https://www.facebook.com/ssbbartgroup> | Linkedin
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/355266?trk=tyah> | Blog
> <http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/>
>
> Check out our Digital Accessibility Webinars!
> <http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/webinars/>
>
>
>
> *From:* David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:26 PM
> *To:* Gregg Vanderheiden
> *Cc:* Chris McMeeking; Patrick H. Lauke; public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Tweak 2.5.3
>
>
>
> We've taken all the comments and revised the language of the Success
> Criteria 2.5.3
>
> =====
>
> 2.5.3 Up-Event Activation: Single touch and/or pointer activation triggers
> on the up-event, or has at least one of the following characteristics
> (Level A):
> - provides confirmation,
> - is reversible,
> - a mechanism is available to trigger on the up-event.
>
> Note: This is when platform assistive technology that remaps touch
> gestures is not turned on.
>
> Also have revised the understanding document and provided some alternative
> language for the SC.
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposed_revision_of_2.5.3
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 12:12 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> We've revised the proposed 2.5.3 Touch Up Activation.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposed_revision_of_2.5.3#Proposed_2.5.3
>
>
>
> On the call we felt it was ready to bring to the larger WCAG group for
> further consideration on April 26
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 1:48 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden <
> gregg@raisingthefloor.org> wrote:
>
> The WCAG used the following formulation   (if this is helpful to you )
>
>
>
> The SC needs to be met by the web page  with the assumption that the user
> is using commonly available AT and access features commonly available in
> browsers.
>
>
>
> The "programmatically determined” phrase is key to the AT support.
> Anything where the SC addressed a problem through AT - the term
> programmatically determined was use to cover both AT and access features in
> browsers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *gregg*
>
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2016, at 10:40 AM, Chris McMeeking <chris.mcmeeking@deque.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> You're correct, it is very relevant.  However, not when considering
> whether a success criteria is a criteria or not.  But, whether or not such
> a criteria is enforced on a given platform in a given situation, etc.  If
> you want to go out there and test every criteria against all combinations
> of browsers (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Internet Explorer (6, 7, 8, 9))
> against all possible ATs (Jaws, NVDA, VoiceOver, ChromeVox, TalkBack,
> VoiceOver (iOS)) you are never going to have 100% compliance.  Are you
> suggesting we scrap all of WCag because nobody can possible conform?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/04/2016 16:03, Chris McMeeking wrote:
>
> The user agent vs AT vs webpage/app as the "responsible party" for a
> conformance to a criteria I find irrelevant as it pertains to the
> formation of a criteria.  Saying that the user agent "should be
> responsible" is all fine.  That doesn't mean that it's not part of the
> criteria.
>
>
> But as the criteria are part of the Web Content guidelines, meaning that
> they're the responsibility of the web content developer to ensure, it IS
> relevant - if these are things that are simply out of the developer's
> control, or issues relating to global settings (which I don't believe can
> be successfully mandated for each and every site/app, or they'll simply be
> ignored), developers will not be able to satisfy the SC. Then what?
>
>
>
> P
> --
> Patrick H. Lauke
>
> www.splintered.co.uk | https://github.com/patrickhlauke
> http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ | http://redux.deviantart.com
> twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>