MATF Minutes 21 August 2014

Link to MATF Minutes 21 August 2014: 
http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-minutes.html

Text of minutes:

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  Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference


    21 Aug 2014

Agenda 
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0017.html>

See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-irc>


    Attendees

Present
Regrets
    Jan_Richards, Alan_Smith, Tom_Babinszki
Chair
    Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
    KimPatch


    Contents

  * Topics <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#agenda>
     1. Techniques resources review:
        http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#item01>
  * Summary of Action Items
    <http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-mobile-a11y-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<trackbot> Date: 21 August 2014

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      Techniques resources review:
      http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources

<jeanne> 
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments

Talking about procedure, make changes clear on the changes page. On the 
technique development assignments page, fill in unassigned with your 
name, and when they are ready, change "incomplete" to "unchanged" or 
"complete".

http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G10

Jeanne going through G10, which needed a new example -- turned out to be 
more complicated than it looked

Detlev: example seems quite technical, for everyone but an iOS 
programmer it might not mean much

Jeanne: good feedback -- really it needs completely different example

Detlev: need to know that coded so ActiveX controls pass on name role 
state whatever to API. So we need some example that replicates that idea 
in the mobile space -- this might not be the best one. I'm not sure 
about environments for test on mobile phones.

<jeanne> ... needs to refer to accessibility test tools that the user 
could use

Detlev: I think it would have to refer to tools -- I'm not quite sure 
about whether the techniques would cover mobile web as much as native 
development, and this is a bit unclear to me so far. I think we aim to 
cover both but focus on the mobile web, but for this technique I 
wouldn't quite know what example to pick -- maybe throw to other people

<jeanne> RESOLUTION: Reject this proposed example and delay this 
Technique until we gain more experience. There are complex technical issues

Detlev: There are toolboxes where you can create things quickly, they 
might not work properly with the mobile APIs in question -- that would 
be a good thing to check. But someone else is the phrase that are find a 
good example for that

Jon: even if we were to come up with another example, say for iOS, 
custom control -- the really isn't quite a one to one relationship 
between the desktop world and the mobile world. Flash is available on 
some android devices, but it's really going away. The closest thing as a 
hybrid app, but it would be confusing to use that.

Detlev: the existing examples here are positive examples, written in 
line with existing APIs. If it's a positive example may be some app 
that's written in line with Apple accessibility guidelines for mobile 
apps and that's it -- don't know whether the technique means necessarily 
means only components which are embedded in, say web technologies or 
whether we can talk about say native...
... constructs whic

h are written according to the accessibility API, but that may be 
redundant -- I'm not sure that that makes sense

Jon: to me it seems like it really is talking about the user agent 
running it, and I'm not sure we really have a good example that exposes 
platform level API to a user agent. Maybe something like PDF

Detlev: wwould it be good example to have browsers passing on names, 
roles, states of active elements

Jon: until we can find an example where works correctly, I don't think 
we should imply that there might be one -- may be just it's not 
supported on mobile at this time

next step is to find an example?

Jon: mobile task force is exploring finding techniques -- is there such 
a thing. Might be good to ask more widely as an exploratory information 
gathering
... I can ask around

<jeanne> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G88

Detlev: could be other examples where there's a rewriting of a title so 
you replace short title with long version, whether it's reordered in the 
Dom, you could also change the title if you want to. The example should 
probably show a range of options and think about the case where a 
website is constrained to a very narrow viewport and the solutions may 
be manifold, maybe change title for a...
... dedicated mobile version, maybe a title that suffers truncated and 
well, maybe a rewritten title -- those are examples that come to mind
... also with the example if it's a the dedicated mobile site that 
should be clear, so it's specific content and specifically to a narrow 
viewport, if that's what you mean. So for that just pick a short title 
and that's it. If you have responsive web design you might do something else
... I wonder for a general technique if it's going to far down into 
technologies -- too specific for a general technique, I'm worried about 
that. so maybe the way you put it is good -- maybe everything else is 
down to more specific HTML or scripting techniques.

Jeanne: would you put a reference to a more detailed technique

Detlev: yes -- could be other techniques like a scripting technique for 
detecting a breakpoint and changing the page title. There may be even 
other techniques which fit the bill
... need to research how people do titles and responsive web design

<jon_avila> * I have to go pick up my children from camp -- so I need to 
jump off.

Jeanne: how are we going to track these things that need more work later

Detlev: we could pencil them in and have other people comment whether 
there are existing examples -- a rough title draft and put it in there 
and see whether anyone thinks it's something we need to pick up and work out

<jeanne> 
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques

<jeanne> The proposed new techniques need short names so they are easier 
to read.


    Summary of Action Items

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