- From: Jeanne Spellman <jeanne@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 11:08:47 -0400
- To: MATF <public-mobile-a11y-tf@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
01 Aug 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Jul/0034.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/08/01-mobile-a11y-irc
Attendees
Present
Jan, Jeanne, KathyW, Kim_Patch, MikeS, TomB, WuWei
Regrets
Alan, Brent_Shiver, Gavin
Chair
Kimberly_Patch
Scribe
jeanne
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]New Mobile WCAG Techniques & Best Practices survey
– continue to review survey
2. [6]Survey #29 Touch Target sizes
3. [7]Survey #30 Inactive Space around active elements
4. [8]Next meeting
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 01 August 2014
<KimPatch>
[10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_
Techniques
[10]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/New_WCAG_2.0_Techniques
<KimPatch>
[11]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/result
s
[11] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/results
<kw>
[12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techn
iques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
[12]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
<Jan> Thurs 11 ET works for me too
<scribe> scribe: jeanne
<kw>
[13]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Deve
lopment_Assignments
[13]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
<kw>
[14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techn
iques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
[14]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
KW: We are in the process of identifying Techniques that are
applicable to mobile
... I need someone to verify that the native app techniques are
labeled.
MS: I'd be happy to work with someone on this.
KW: We have the technique listed, but we need to say whether it
applies to Native Web and/or Native Apps and put it in the
column.
<kw>
[15]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techn
iques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
[15]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
<kw>
[16]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techn
iques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes#CSS_Applicable_to_Mo
bile_without_Changes
[16]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Techniques_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes#CSS_Applicable_to_Mobile_without_Changes
<kw>
[17]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Deve
lopment_Assignments
[17]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
KW: This link is for WCAG TEchnique writing assignments.
... If there are techniques that you want to work on, put your
name on it, or let me know
... we will talk about more next week
<kw>
[18]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/result
s#xq29
[18] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/results#xq29
New Mobile WCAG Techniques & Best Practices survey – continue to
review survey
kW: We are starting at #29 on the survey
[19]https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/result
s#xq29
[19] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/66524/20140512_survey/results#xq29
[KW reads comments in the survey]
MS: It is the actionable nature of it, rather just than it is a
link.
... in modern design, text is being used without any indication
that it is actionable.
KW: Also knowing whether something can be swiped, it is not
clear that you can go from page to page
MS: This should be a separate technique, you just have to
intuit that there is something in another page to get via
swipe.
JR: This is too vague, if the platform UI metaphors are not
doing a good job of identifying actionable elements. The
platform has to make sense of semantic code. Now, if it is
custom work, then the onus is on the designer
KW: This would be very hard to be testable. Even at Advisory,
it would be difficult to be testable.
JR: My suggestion is to make the Technique: Do not suppress the
platform's behavior of distinguishing links.
... then we could have another Technique to say that if you do
suppress the platform behavior, then you have to make it
distinguishable -- and that would be hard to test.
MS: I'm concerned about saying not to break the platform
behavior. I have worked on projects where we improved the
plaform behavior, making it more accessible than the platform.
... Clearly defined role, make sure the platform renders it
correctly.
JR: I agree, I just think that they are different techniques.
One advisory, don't suppress the platform behavior, another
advisory, that if you do, make it distinguishable.
MS: I think they should be sufficient
JR: They go under WCAG 1.3.1
... but I am still concerned about testability of the custom
KW: We do have a technique about not relying on color alone. We
could add to that as a sufficient technique'
RESOLUTION: An advisory technique for not supressing the
platform behavior of links and other actionable elements; and
modify the Technique for 1.3.1 about not relying on color; and
look at a new Technique for identifying available swiping
gestures
Survey #29 Touch Target sizes
KW: it could fall under keyboard access -- being able to
activate an element
JR: That's using a keyboard, I think it would be confusing
MS: Keyboard would not require the object to be large enough.
KW: WCaG is oriented toward mouse and keyboard, it really
belongs with IndieUI.
MS: Then there are also the devices where you don't actually
touch, like gestures over a touch target like the WII or
Kinect.
... Could tell people to follow the platform guidelines
KW: We could say that this is an important accessibility issue
and it doesn't fit under WcAG.
MS: When we were working with voiceover, we thought when you
get close to it and then swipe, that would be sufficient when
items were really small.
JR: I think WCAG knew that zoom was coming and then it would
not be an issue
<KimPatch> Jeanne: I do think this is still an accessibility
issue – minimum sizes. I'm not sure that zoom adequately covers
it. It's an issue on the desktop as well. People with different
kinds of mobility have a very difficult time with small
objects.
Kw: Why not make it a best practice
<KimPatch> Jeanne – I think it's a blocker for people, there
are so many places were zoom doesn't apply particularly in
native apps that I think we should have it.
KW: relying on zoom is a high cognitive load.
<KimPatch> Jeanne: important for us to keep a list of things we
think should be in a future version of WCAG
RESOLUTION: Mark this as a new possible WCAG success criteria
as sufficient, and temporarily as an Advisory under 1.4.4
Resize Text.
Survey #30 Inactive Space around active elements
KW reads comments from survey
MS: Use case of a weather table when there is no padding.
KW: the problem is that people can accidently touch two at
once.
MS: The solution is #29 -- not 30.
JR: 29 takes care of it by virtue of putting a minimum.
MS: Should we have any techniques about addressing blank or
dead space. There is no technique or recommendation that there
is dead space and that there are small elements elsewhere in
the space. This is especially important for tablets, rather
than rubbing finger around the screen and nothing happening.
TB: If you don't have blank spaces properly represented can be
problematic. But I think when the controls stretch out until
the next element, that can increase accessibility for blind.
RESOLUTION: to drop #30 in favor of #29
Next meeting
Please select a technique that you want to work on
scribe: we are trying to work more asynchronously to
accommodate the people who have trouble with specific meeting
times.
<kw>
[20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Deve
lopment_Assignments
[20]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Technique_Development_Assignments
scribe: people will be able to work on techniques, even if they
can't attend the meeting.
KW: Looking at the individual technques, there are notes from
the people who reviewed it. It should not be restrictive, if
there are thing to add, you can.
Josh and Andrew are going to attend an upcoming meeting to talk
about how to write techniques
KP: The next meeting is Friday 8 August. The following meeting
will be 14 August, at the new time which is 11:00 US EAstern,
8:00 US Pacific and 1500 UTC
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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