- From: Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:40:34 +0100
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's phone telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
We have planned the following 3 next telecon:
- 26/01/2011: final spec review and new LC approval by the group
- 02/02/2011: invitation of Adisson to address ISSUE-17 [I18N in
track names]
- 09/02/2011: review of test cases
We expect a maximum participation for these 3 telecon.
@Silvia, we discussed last week the fact that you should mail the group
about which more HTML5 bugs you would like to open given Ian closed bug
10723. We conclude today that what is important to add in the HTML5 spec
is the specification when the fragment should be stopped (only the
starting time is specified currently), see my comment 11. Do you want to
open such a bug or do you want me to do it?
Best regards.
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
19 Jan 2011
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0027.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
raphael, Yves, +329331aaaa, Erik, Davy, +31.20.592.aabb, Jack
Regrets
Thomas, Silvia
Chair
Erik, Raphael
Scribe
yves
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. Admin
2. [6]spec
3. [7]HTML WG liaison
4. [8]Implementation
5. [9]Open issues
6. [10]test cases
7. [11]AOB?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 19 January 2011
<raphael> Regets: Thomas, Silvia
1. Admin
damn!
<raphael> scribe: yves
<raphael> scribenick: Yves
approval of last week minutes
<raphael> +1
<Yves> +1
<davy> +1
RESOLUTION: minutes approved
[13]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
[13] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
spec
Philip sent some patches that needs to be incorporated in the spec
As we did lots of changes, we need another LC (that will be short).
I would like that we decide on the LC next week
aiming for 3 weeks review time
any objection with the plan?
<erik> no
<hackerjack> no
Davy: do I have to include RTSP in the spec before next week?
Raphael: yes
Davy: I will try
document changed a lot in december but not a lot since then
we need to rephrase slightly the part of the spec about SMPTE
timecodes
also new video codec don't have fixed framerates, we need to address
that
jack: 99.99% of existing movies files will have fixed framerate even
if the format allows dynamic framerate
raphael: we need to address this case
Jack: starting to rethink my position on that issue, it makes sense
to present the whole fragment in that case
should it be implementation notes?
Raphael: in the final document, the things that we may remove
because of lack of implementation might go in a non-normative
appendix
Yves: fine as long as it is clear that it's not normative and there
because of lack of implementation
Davy: variable framerate is usually not implemented as the encoder
needs to communicate with the packager, and not sure it's
implemented now. Also SMPTE time codes at a frame-basis should be
there
Jack: how about implemetation ?
Davy: might try to get one at least partial
Jack: if people are interested in that, they should demonstrate
their interest with code, even if it's a toy implementation
Raphael: would like to invite Addison to discuss issue 17 about IRI
and track names
would feb 2 be ok? (ie: get critical mass here)
<raphael> I18N discussion:
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Ju
n/0056.html
[14]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Jun/0056.html
raphael: we also need to dedicate a complete telcon on test cases.
erik: will issue 19 be solved by next week?
raphael: yes
HTML WG liaison
<raphael> Bug:
[15]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
[15] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10723
Bug was rejected because it was multiple things in one bug, Silvia
had an AI to open several bugs
<raphael> I have been dropped :-(
Yves: only the last one about having to stop at the end of the
fragment needs reopening
Implementation
action 204 will be dropped
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 204
the header syntax should be checked in the tests
Open issues
RTSP will be added soon
test cases
Davy has some updates on that front
<raphael> drop ACTION-204
<davy>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Ja
n/0025.html
[16]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2011Jan/0025.html
<davy>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
<davy>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/server-test-cases
<davy>
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/TC/ua-test-cases
raphael: wondering about server-side tests
davy: we need extra test cases, yes
... but we have the template for test cases
Raphael: there are two things to check, URI parsed as it should and
HTTP request sent as it should, and the second point is to verify
the behaviour (graphical)
jack: if we have a client saving the file, we can do automatic
testing
Yves: but there are things that we can't test that way (like
displaying the complete timeline)
Raphael: a few things needs to check manually, which is fine
Jack: we need to check what SVG or CSS people are doing to test
graphical output
... also if the number of manually tests is small...
s/manually tests/manually verifiable tests/
Jack: the first thing is to review all the current tests
Davy: we have also an issue with sources for tests
Raphael: can we make files or is transcoding too difficult?
Jack: ffmpeg might help there
Raphael: please ask on the ML.
<hackerjack> yes
AOB?
<raphael> One question: should we use one of the movies in the spec
and in the test cases ?
Raphael: should we use in the test cases one of the movies we have
in the agenda? (ie: one with the right license)
<raphael> * Sintel: [20]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
[20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
<raphael> ** longer version,
[21]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
[21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
<raphael> * Big Bunny:
[22]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
[22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
<raphael> * The Elephant Dreams:
[23]http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
[23] http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
<hackerjack> I would prefer not to use the suggested movies
<davy>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/media/spatial_30fps.we
bm ?
[24]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/media/spatial_30fps.webm
Jack: we should create synthetic movies, easier to do checking (like
switching backgrounds on boundaries we are about to tests)
<davy>
[25]http://ninsuna.elis.ugent.be/Media/MFWG/TC/spatial_30fps.mp4?tra
ck=3;1
[25]
http://ninsuna.elis.ugent.be/Media/MFWG/TC/spatial_30fps.mp4?track=3;1
erik: should we drop all the AI assigned to Michael?
raphael: safe ot drop them
Erik: we need to talk about use cases as well (from Shiraishi San)
<Nobu> Thank you, I am on IRC now.
Erik: also who is attending the workshop in Berlin?
Raphael: no
Erik: I should be there
ADJOURNED
<Nobu> I
<raphael> Nobu: we agree to continue the discussion on your use case
on the mailing list
<raphael> please, create a wiki page if you want
<Nobu> I see, thanks.
<raphael> The Use Cases and Requirements document is sort of "on
hold" ... which means, we will update it at the end of the rec track
process
<raphael> * Sintel: [26]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
[26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7KhViaVqc
<raphael> ** longer version,
[27]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
[27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ
<raphael> * Big Bunny:
[28]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
[28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
<raphael> * The Elephant Dreams:
[29]http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
[29] http://www.archive.org/details/ElephantsDream
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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