- From: Davy Van Deursen <davy.vandeursen@ugent.be>
- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:48:30 +0200
- To: "Media Fragments Working Group WG" <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Best regards,
Davy
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
29 Sep 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Sep/0075.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, Davy, Raphael
Regrets
Silvia, Erik
Chair
Erik
Scribe
davy
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION:
3. [7]PUBLIC COMMENTS
4. [8]AOB
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 29 September 2010
<raphael> Chair: Raphael
ADMIN
<scribe> scribenick: davy
<raphael> [10]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 22 September 2010 telecon:
[11]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
[11] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
+1
<Yves> +1
<raphael> +1
RESOLUTION: minutes accepted
<raphael> ACTIOn-183?
<trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Raphaël Troncy to send reminders to all
relevant groups -- due 2010-09-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/183
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/183
raphael: will finish that today
<raphael> ACTIOn-185?
<trackbot> ACTION-185 -- Yves Lafon to book zakim for the 2 days
meeting of the group on Mon 1st and Tue 2nd Nov -- due 2010-09-29 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/185
Yves: pending, will do that right now
<raphael> TPAC registration:
[14]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
[14] http://www.w3.org/2010/11/TPAC/#Registration
[15]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Medi
aF
[15] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#MediaF
<raphael> Registered persons for TPAC from the group:
[16]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#Medi
aF
[16] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2010reg/registrants#MediaF
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to remind Jack and Michael to register asap
for TPAC [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Remind Jack and Michael to register
asap for TPAC [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-10-06].
MEDIA FRAGMENT EXTENSION:
action-186?
<trackbot> ACTION-186 -- Philip Jägenstedt to send his list of test
cases to the mailing list for understanding how browsers handle
%-encodded and html-encoded URL -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/186
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/186
<raphael>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Se
p/0057.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Sep/0057.html
Yves: wonder if the same thing can be obtained with firebug
close action-186
<trackbot> ACTION-186 Send his list of test cases to the mailing
list for understanding how browsers handle %-encodded and
html-encoded URL closed
action-187?
<trackbot> ACTION-187 -- Philip Jägenstedt to start a new thread
about extensibility of the Media Fragments in order to get consensus
by next week -- due 2010-09-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/187
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/187
raphael: people agreed with proposal (2) of Philip
yves: would like to know the opinion of Jack
raphael: first decide which proposal, afterwards decide how it is
written in the spec
yves: just against the fact that saying that all key-value pairs are
media fragments
raphael: on condition is that you need to have keys that we
understand
... if this is not the case, it's not a media fragment
yves: not in favour, but also not against this
close action-187
<trackbot> ACTION-187 Start a new thread about extensibility of the
Media Fragments in order to get consensus by next week closed
raphael: philip would like to distinguish between validity and
parsing
yves: if we have grammar explaining what should be there, and a
parsing algorithm, that's fine
<raphael> Is this grammar could be
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Au
g/0005.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Aug/0005.html
yves: this is not a grammar
... it's a general approach to parse key-value pairs
raphael: the grammar we currently have, will be kept of course
<Yves> I propose, keep the current grammar and add the extension
point, _and_ define a parsing algorithm for those who need it
<Yves> mediasegment = namesegment / axissegment
<Yves> axissegment = ( timesegment / spacesegment / tracksegment )
<Yves> *( "&" ( timesegment / spacesegment / tracksegment )
<Yves> ;
<Yves> => add extensionsegment there
yves: a mediasegment can't be only an extensionsegment
<raphael> Yves propose that: mediasegment = namesegment /
axissegment / extensionsegment + prose to state that a media segment
cannot be only an extension segment
yves: we have to state that extensions should remain compatible with
the current spec
... e.g., bounding box (through xywh) as fallback for an arbitrary
shape (through ref)
<Yves> extensionsegment = extensionname '=' extensionvalue
<raphael> extensionsegment = extensionprefix '=' extensionparam
<Yves> issue is with extensions that conflict with already defined
axis, like 'ref' being impacting the spatial dimension defined by
'xywh'
raphael: top-level production rules of the grammar should be in de
document as well, not only in the appendix
... in section 4.3.5 or 4.1
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to put the top-level production rules back
into the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1) [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Put the top-level production rules
back into the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1) [on Raphaël Troncy
- due 2010-10-06].
raphael: still missing is a paragraph how things should be parsed
... I will ask Philip regarding this issue
close action-187
<trackbot> ACTION-187 Start a new thread about extensibility of the
Media Fragments in order to get consensus by next week closed
action-173?
<trackbot> ACTION-173 -- Yves Lafon to produce the code that will
check the grammar of both the URI syntax and the Headers syntax --
due 2010-06-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/173
[23] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/173
yves: not done yet for the header syntax
PUBLIC COMMENTS
<raphael> ACTION-184?
<trackbot> ACTION-184 -- Yves Lafon to email Chris the reply on when
to send the range header -- due 2010-09-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/184
[24] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/184
close action-184
<trackbot> ACTION-184 Email Chris the reply on when to send the
range header closed
raphael: should we use the bug tracker for LC comments?
yves: a manual approach should be feasible (e.g., manually building
an HTML table)
raphael: suggest to start with manual approach, when a lot of
comments are coming, we might consider using the bug tracker
<raphael> ACTION-167?
<trackbot> ACTION-167 -- Erik Mannens to find licence free movies
for the automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and
the creative commons -- due 2010-06-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
[25] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/167
AOB
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: troncy to put the top-level production rules back into
the document (in section 4.3.5 or 4.1) [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: troncy to remind Jack and Michael to register asap for
TPAC [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02
[27] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/29-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01
[End of minutes]
_________________________________________________________
--
Davy Van Deursen
Ghent University - IBBT
Department of Electronics and Information Systems - Multimedia Lab
URL: http://multimedialab.elis.ugent.be/dvdeurse
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