- From: Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@eurecom.fr>
- Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:57:58 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
New actions given today:
* ACTION-165: Raphael to send on the mailing list the abstract for a
talk proposal for the Open Video Conference
* ACTION-166: Yves to review the ABNF syntax of the HTTP headers
introduced by the Media Fragment URI spec
* ACTION-167: Erik to find license free movies for the automatic test
suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative commons
* ACTION-168: Davy to investigate how the automatic test suite could
also be done for evaluating the UA behavior
We would like to *hear* from Jack, Conrad and Yves about their actions
status!
Cheers.
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
26 May 2010
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0074.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Michael, Erik, Raphael, Davy, Silvia (irc)
Regrets
Silvia
Chair
Erik, Raphael
Scribe
raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. Admin
2. [6]2. Specification
3. [7]3. Test Cases
4. [8]4. AOB ?
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 26 May 2010
<scribe> Scribe: raphael
<scribe> Scribenick: raphael
1. Admin
PROPOSED to accept the short minutes of the 19 May 2010 telecon
[10]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html
+1
<mhausenblas> +1
<davy> +1
<erik> +1
Minutes accepted
ACTION-162?
<trackbot> ACTION-162 -- Raphaël Troncy to provide practical
information for the next F2F -- due 2010-05-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/162
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/162
close ACTION-162
<trackbot> ACTION-162 Provide practical information for the next F2F
closed
More details:
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SixthF2FAgenda
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/SixthF2FAgenda
Raphael: I think Yves will be able to carry the 4-5 people to the
meeting from the hotel since he is living close by
... I think we should propose a talk to the Open Video Conference
<mhausenblas> +1
<erik> +1
<davy> +1
Erik: what about proposing a duo presentation, Raphael and Davy,
similar to WWW, but more complete
+1
<davy> +1
Raphael: we can work out the abstract starting from the WWW one on
the mailing list
... I think we should go for the 30-45' talk
<scribe> ACTION: Raphael to send on the mailing list the abstract
for a talk proposal [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to send on the mailing list the abstract for
a talk proposal [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Send on the mailing list the
abstract for a talk proposal [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2010-06-02].
2. Specification
Erik: still a lot of action to Yves, we cannot talk about still
ACTION-123?
<trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to come up with ABNF for
header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
close ACTION-123
<trackbot> ACTION-123 Come up with ABNF for header syntax closed
Raphael: Frank Denoual has commented on Silvia's work and Silvia has
addressed the comments
... I'm all for giving an action to Yves for reviewing the ABNF
<erik> +1
<scribe> ACTION: yves to review the ABNF syntax of the HTTP headers
introduced by the Media Fragment URI spec [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Review the ABNF syntax of the HTTP
headers introduced by the Media Fragment URI spec [on Yves Lafon -
due 2010-06-02].
Raphael: rendering of fragment in UA ... how far should we go
Davy: we should discuss possibilities, but not provide
recommendations
3. Test Cases
ACTION-164?
<trackbot> ACTION-164 -- Erik Mannens to report to the group whether
such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically
testing the media fragment specification -- due 2010-05-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/164
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/164
See also:
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Ma
y/0067.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0067.html
close ACTION-164
<trackbot> ACTION-164 Report to the group whether such an approach
from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media
fragment specification closed
Michael: ok with the extension, but my problem is that we do not
rely only on the HTTP status code
... there is also the need for a user assessment that the visual
rendering is correct
Raphael: really? if we do not recommend the rendering of a fragment,
then no need ... for the automatic test suite
... and there are 2 kind of evaluations, server side and UA side
... for me there is test suite for the UA (correct parsing of the
media fragment URI syntax + correct rendering of the fragment?) and
the test suite for the server (the automatic test suite from Davy we
are talking about)
Davy: we have done our own implementation, JSON files, no DB, but we
would like to link it to corrib now
Michael: is there some pointers I can have a look to to better
understand what you have done
Raphael: can we say that mftc:expectedHTTPStatusCode
... returns a 2xx ?
<mhausenblas>
[19]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-08#se
ction-8.2.1
[19]
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-08#section-8.2.1
Raphael: for a 206 or a 200
<mhausenblas> [20]http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-10.2.1
[20] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-10.2.1
Raphael: I like this ontology:
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes
... My other concern is do we want a litteral for the property
mftc:expectedVisualResults ?
... or do we want controlled values ?
[21] http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes
<mhausenblas> [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF10/
[22] http://www.w3.org/TR/HTTP-in-RDF10/
Michael: do we really need this property if we test the server?
Davy: no automatic evaluation for this one, not trivial
... we actually test more than the HTTP headers, for example that
the bytes sent in the body of the response correspond to the
original bytes in the media
Michael: I would suggest to remove this property if we don't see how
it will be used
Davy: I'm thinking of using corrib for testing also the UA side
... so I might need it later on
... then we need to think now about the test framework for the UA
side!
... because we will NOT edit again and again the test suite
Michael: I agree with you
Raphael: how we should proceed then ?
Erik: should we have test movies ? How many ?
Raphael: we can use the one Silvia is using (the cartoon, need to
find the title) used by Mozilla demos
... we don't need many, perhaps 5 in different formats, would be
good
<silvia> Elephant Dreams
Raphael: Silvia, if you're reading, could we give you an ACTION to
find 4-5 movies, licence free, we could use in our test cases ?
... Elephant Dreams is one of them
... what else ?
<silvia> very hard indeed
<silvia> I go to creative commons and download from there
<mhausenblas> Michael: Server-Test Suite would consist of:
corrib-output (RDF): manifest, media files, driver (takes manifest
and applies to each set of media files and generates EARL)
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to find licence free movies for the automatic
test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative
commons [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Find licence free movies for the
automatic test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the
creative commons [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-06-02].
<silvia> [24]http://creativecommons.org/videos
[24] http://creativecommons.org/videos
<scribe> ACTION: Davy to investigate how the automatic test suite
could also be done for evaluating the UA behavior [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-168 - Investigate how the automatic test
suite could also be done for evaluating the UA behavior [on Davy Van
Deursen - due 2010-06-02].
<silvia> just get videos from there
Raphael: we are waiting for the output of this action before asking
Michael to extend corrib
4. AOB ?
close ACTION-164
<trackbot> ACTION-164 Report to the group whether such an approach
from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media
fragment specification closed
[meeting adjourned]
Raphael: I hope we will have Yves and Jack on the phone next week to
progress further !
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Davy to investigate how the automatic test suite could
also be done for evaluating the UA behavior [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to find licence free movies for the automatic
test suite ... starting with Elephant Dreams and the creative
commons [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Raphael to send on the mailing list the abstract for a
talk proposal [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: troncy to send on the mailing list the abstract for a
talk proposal [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: yves to review the ABNF syntax of the HTTP headers
introduced by the Media Fragment URI spec [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
_________________________________________________________
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Raphaël Troncy
EURECOM, Multimedia Communications Department
2229, route des Crêtes, 06560 Sophia Antipolis, France.
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