- From: Raphaël Troncy <raphael.troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 21:51:11 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Cheers.
Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
19 May 2010
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0028.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Michael, Raphael, Silvia, Erik
Regrets
Davy
Chair
Erik, Raphael
Scribe
raphael
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. Admin
2. [6]2. Specification
3. [7]3. Test Cases
4. [8]4. AOB
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 19 May 2010
<mhausenblas> hu? I'm the first? :)
<mhausenblas> people, it's 7 past the hour here :D
<mhausenblas> heya silvia
<scribe> scribenick: raphael
<scribe> Scribe: raphael
1. Admin
PROPOSED to accept the short minutes of the 12 May 2010 telecon:
[10]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html ?
[10] http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
<silvia> +1
+1
<mhausenblas> +1
Next F2F meeting: Michael will not make it physically but will
paticipate remotely
Raphael will send details this afternoon
2. Specification
ACTIOn-156?
<trackbot> ACTION-156 -- Conrad Parker to add a "bandwidth
conservation use case" -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156
[11] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156
Raphael: I will email Conrad about that ...
ACTION-123?
<trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to come up with ABNF for
header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
[12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
Silvia: quite busy week, I haven't started, but I will do that
tonight
... I do not expect difficulty, I will email this out
ACTION-154?
<trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Davy Van Deursen to add a section 5.2.4
describing his new optimization -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154
[13] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154
close ACTION-154
<trackbot> ACTION-154 Add a section 5.2.4 describing his new
optimization closed
Raphael: Davy has re-structured the section 5.2, is there any
objections ?
Silvia: no objection
Michael: no objections
Silvia: I agree that currently, codecs do not allow to address
spatial fragment without transcoding
... so agree, it should happen with a query
<silvia> spatial fragment retrieval cannot be done with byte ranges
right now because current media formats and codecs don't allow it
<silvia> but it may be possible in future
Silvia: if there is a fragment, #xywh= ... then, no request issued,
client might highlight a region if it has all the data
Raphael: I will buzz Jack for the action 137
3. Test Cases
ACTION-163?
<trackbot> ACTION-163 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a resolution on
handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist -- due
2010-05-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/163
[14] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/163
close ACTION-163
<trackbot> ACTION-163 Send a resolution on handling non-existing or
illegal fragments to the mailinglist closed
Raphael: see
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Ma
y/0031.html
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0031.html
Michael: no more work on corrib yet
... so I would still need one week to complete and give the ball to
Erik
Raphael: what is the plan exactly?
ACTION-146?
<trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Jack Jansen to identify and add in corrib
any missing test cases for temporal fragments -- due 2010-03-03 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/146
[16] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/146
Michael: the question is really, can we really have an automated
test suite ?
... if not, then corrib is of little use
Raphael: my proposal would be to change the action 146 assigned to
Jack to a thorough review of
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
... then, someone needs to add them into Corrib
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
Erik: I miss what can be automatized also
<mhausenblas>
[18]http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/corrib.php?export=v1-mediafrag&form
at=rdf-xml
[18]
http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/corrib.php?export=v1-mediafrag&format=rdf-xml
<mhausenblas> [19]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
[19] http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
Erik: I should talk to my implementers to see if this can be of use
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to report to the group whether such an
approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing
the media fragment specification [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Report to the group whether such an
approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing
the media fragment specification [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-05-26].
<mhausenblas> [21]http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/
[21] http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/
<silvia> ngrep or tcpdump are good tools for monitoring connections
Silvia: I think whatever plugin you have for the browser, testing if
the plugins does the real thing can only be tested with one of these
tools
Erik: maybe we can make a summer project for this
<silvia> what you would require is a commandline tool that pulls in
what is an expected HTTP exchange sequence from a media fragment
request (which could come from corrib) and check with what actually
goes over the wire
<silvia> those tools can help with monitoring what actually goes
over the wire
4. AOB
Silvia: Let's discuss your email:
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010Ma
y/0034.html
[22]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0034.html
Raphael: I think as soon as a fragment is requested, we cannot have
a 200 answer, so MUST be a 206
... I think if there is a #t= ... then a Range request should be
issued, even if the fragment happens to be the entire resource
<mhausenblas> ok, re ACTION-147 - new people are added
<mhausenblas> see
[23]http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/sparql.php?query=SELECT+DISTINCT+%3
Fs++FROM+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2F
Contributor%2F%3E+WHERE+{%0D%0A++%3Fs+%3Fp+%3Fo+.%0D%0A}%0D%0ALIMIT+
10&output=htmltab&jsonp=&key=&show_inline=1
[23]
http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/sparql.php?query=SELECT+DISTINCT+%3Fs++FROM+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FContributor%2F%3E+WHERE+
You should put: [24]http://identi.ca/conradparker owl:sameAs
[25]http://identi.ca/user/31499
[24] http://identi.ca/conradparker
[25] http://identi.ca/user/31499
scribe:
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/Contributor/JackJansen
owl:sameAs [27]http://twitter.com/hackerjack60
[26] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/Contributor/JackJansen
[27] http://twitter.com/hackerjack60
Controversial issue about #01 and #04 ... whether a range request
should be send at all or not ?
Raphael: I will mention this to Jack when he is reviewing the spec
Open Video Conference: [28]http://www.openvideoconference.org/?l=en
[28] http://www.openvideoconference.org/?l=en
Raphael: who should be there? should the group lobby there for
implementations ?
... I think this is the MOST important event!
Silvia: I will there, likely, organize a workshop (FOAM?)
<silvia> FOMS
Silvia: I can send announcement when I have news
<silvia> I will organise a 2-day FOMS workshop before OVC and 1 day
hackday after OVC on the Sunday
Raphael: deadline is June 7th ... we can propose a lecture / talk
<erik> +1
Silvia: we can have a f2f there ... talk will be for a general
audience
close ACTION-147
<trackbot> ACTION-147 Add all MF WG members to corrib closed
<silvia> bye
[meeting adjourned]
<mhausenblas> happy birthday, erik !!
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to report to the group whether such an approach
from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media
fragment specification [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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