- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:46:20 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
Dear all,
The minutes of today's telecon are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Cheers.
Erik & Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
30 Sep 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Sep/0151.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Raphael, Erik, Michael, Silvia_(irc_only), Thierry, Davy
Regrets
Yves, Jack
Chair
Raphael
Scribe
Erik
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]UC and Requirements
3. [7]specification
4. [8]Test Cases
5. [9]implementations
6. [10]AOB
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 30 September 2009
<raphael> Scribe: Erik
<raphael> Scribenick: erik
1.ADMIN
ADMIN
<raphael> [12]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-mediafrag-minutes.html
[12] http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-mediafrag-minutes.html
<mhausenblas> +1
<davy> +1
<raphael> +1
+1
<silvia> +1
minutes from 23/09 accepted
close action-111
<trackbot> ACTION-111 Provide CVS access to conrad closed
UC and Requirements
<raphael>
[13]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-req
s/
[13]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
policy about contributors & editors as of decided in Barcelona F2F
everybody should check his/her affiliation
ACTIONS 105, 106, 113 ongoing by Raphael
<silvia> ACTION 113 has been finished
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 113
Raphael suggests section 6 to go to Annex
<raphael> yes silvia, thanks :-)
<mhausenblas> +1
+1
<davy> +1
close action-113
<trackbot> ACTION-113 Move "Side Conditions" section to requirements
doc only closed
<silvia> I am not fussed about section 6 staying as section 6 or
going into annex - either works
<scribe> ACTION: Davy and Erik to review Raphael's documents
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - And Erik to review Raphael's
documents [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2009-10-07].
specification
close action-109
<trackbot> ACTION-109 And Davy to write a paragraph in the documents
to explain why we don't include this feature in the spec (rationale)
based on the group analysis (impact both req and spec documents)
closed
<silvia> do we have a commit mailing list on the WDs?
<raphael> what do you mean by commit mailing list?
<silvia> for cvs commits on the WD documents
<silvia> they can be mailed out - it is done on all open source
projects that I am active on
<raphael> you mean a change log section ?
<silvia> no, just every "cvs commit" creates an email with the
commit message and the diff
<silvia> and it is sent out to the group of people working on the
code/document
<silvia> helps heaps to stay updated on changes
<raphael> i'm not sure this is really useful, particularly since
some people do just one commit with a lot of changes, and some
others, a commit for every characters they change :-)
<raphael> Silvia, any word about action-109?
<silvia> yeah, I finished that, too :)
<raphael> ACTION-110?
<trackbot> ACTION-110 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to silvia to Draft a
summary starting from her blog post and the 17/09/2009 IRC minutes
in the document (role of ? and #) -- due 2009-09-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/110
[15] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/110
<silvia> I finished that
<silvia> please feel free to review the changes I made
<silvia> raphael: it doesn't matter how many changes are being made
- it is really useful - I know it from other projects
close action-110
<trackbot> ACTION-110 Silvia to Draft a summary starting from her
blog post and the 17/09/2009 IRC minutes in the document (role of ?
and #) closed
<silvia> but if that is not something W3C typically hook into the
commit, then it's too hard
<scribe> ACTION: troncy to review Silvia's summary of her blogpost
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-117 - Review Silvia's summary of her
blogpost [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2009-10-07].
postpone discussion on URI-templates?
<raphael> I will actually review the whole section 3
<conrad> public commit logs tend to encourage people to commit at a
useful frequency, ie. not too often or too infrequently
<raphael> We postpone the discussio on: "should we provide one or
several URI templates in complement
<raphael> of the BNF syntax provided in the spec for the definition
of Media
<raphael> Fragments URI?
rssagent, draft minutes
<raphael> ACTION-112?
<trackbot> ACTION-112 -- Raphaël Troncy to propose a digest of
Conrad and current's proposal regarding the use of existing and
custom headers for the communication UA server -- due 2009-09-25 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/112
[17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/112
<silvia> yes, I worked over the complete section 3, raphael
Raphael will work on Action-112 today as this is a blocking factor
for publication
<raphael> my actions are still pending
Test Cases
<mhausenblas>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spe
c/#fragment-dimensions
[18]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-spec/#fragment-dimensions
michael is updating test tool
michael's actions are still pending
<scribe> ACTION: michael to come up with individual 'normal' test
cases (+/- 20) [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Come up with individual 'normal'
test cases (+/- 20) [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-10-07].
<mhausenblas> the TC overview could look like
[20]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
[20] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
raphael wonders how test case doc will look like
michael ... table of test cases automatically generated
raphael ... after publication, implemetors can use this to test
their implementation
implementations
<silvia> I would already use it in the html5 pages to make sure I
cover all important test cases
davy ... updated MMLab's parser
scribe: can handle all the proposed time schemes
... updated range headers (via two firefox add-ins to test)
... would like to have players that can do that ...
<raphael> Are these 2 add-ons required:
[21]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/967 and
[22]https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3829? for
inspecting headers request and response?
[21] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/967
[22] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3829?
scribe: difficult to use content-range header
<conrad> davy: do you have an updated URL?
[23]http://schutz.elis.ugent.be:8080/DownloadServlet/fragf2f.ogg is
404
[23] http://schutz.elis.ugent.be:8080/DownloadServlet/fragf2f.ogg
davy ... these are indeed the add-ons
<silvia> raphael: they are not required, but they help you work out
what is going on
<silvia> you can also create the http headers through javascript
<conrad> the problem is that UAs do not understand time
Content-Ranges
<silvia> I want to work on this as a demo with davy's server
<silvia> yeah, everything has to be emulated with javascript right
now
<conrad> so we need to suggest that UAs display the
"start-end/total" values appropriately, eg. in the seek bar
<raphael> Davy points out that the instance-length in the
content-range headers is ignored by the media player plugin
<raphael> Conrad: is it something we need to push to the browser
vendors ?
<silvia> some of it
davy ... server implementation is allright, we just need players
that support these extra headers
<conrad> firefox 3.5 will use X-Content-Duration to display the seek
bar
<conrad> value is a floating point number of seconds
<raphael> it is to fake it and will work only on firefox ? but worth
to test it
<conrad> sure
within IBBT we will also try to come with a media player that is
able to understand all headers
<silvia> the point is that browser vendors need to see the impact
and understand the usefulness, which is why a javascript
implementation is useful
AOB
<silvia> then they can decide to follow our specifications and
implement it natively
<conrad> davy: also try putting the urls through
validator.annodex.org , just thinking we can update that for such
testing
<raphael> [meeting adjourned]
<silvia> oh cool! early finish! time to go fix some stuff :)
<raphael> yep
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Davy and Erik to review Raphael's documents [recorded
in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: michael to come up with individual 'normal' test cases
(+/- 20) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: troncy to review Silvia's summary of her blogpost
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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