- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:30:03 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
All,
The minutes are available for review at
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format
below).
Cheers.
Erik & Raphaël
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
26 Aug 2009
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0070.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-irc
Attendees
Present
Yves, Michael, Silvia, Davy, Raphael_(partial), Jack
Regrets
Conrad, Thierry, Erik
Chair
Yves, Raphael
Scribe
Davy
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]1. ADMIN
2. [6]2. UC & REQUIREMENTS
3. [7]TEST CASES
4. [8]ISSUES
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 26 August 2009
<raphael> Regret+ Erik
<raphael> Regret+: Erik
<nessy> zakim: mute me
<raphael> Scribe: Davy
<raphael> scribenick: davy
1. ADMIN
accept minutes
[10]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
[11]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html?
[11] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html?
<mhausenblas> +1
<raphael> +1
+1
<Yves> +1
<silvia> +1
minutes accepted
raphael: next WG gathering
physical F2F will not take place
scribe: I suggest a virtual meeting
<mhausenblas> Michael: I know of [15]http://tinychat.com/ and
[16]http://www.webex.com/
[15] http://tinychat.com/
[16] http://www.webex.com/
<scribe> ACTION: Raphaël to setup a doodle poll regarding
availability for virtual F2F telecon [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Setup a doodle poll regarding
availability for virtual F2F telecon [on Raphaël Troncy - due
2009-09-02].
2. UC & REQUIREMENTS
action-95?
<trackbot> ACTION-95 -- Michael Hausenblas to review the new UC
written by Silvia and check whether it will cover a mobile usage --
due 2009-08-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95
[18] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/95
mhausenblas: what do others think about mobile UC?
... we need browser builders, mobile world will be interested in
fragments
... will go through the use cases with my mobile glasses
raphael: regarding aspect ratio
... if we want to keep this feature, we should have a motivation for
it
silvia: I don't think it has anything to do with a fragment
... should be removed
Yves: UC is not really targetted at browsers, example of setop box,
where you don't have access to tools for fitting the video into the
screen
... will be more useful for the '?', not for fragments ('#')
Yves: more generally, everything that requires transcoding might be
available only under the ? scheme but not # (ie: sub-resources and
not fragment)
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to write a UC describing the use of aspect
ratio feature [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Write a UC describing the use of
aspect ratio feature [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-09-02].
TEST CASES
<mhausenblas>
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
[20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
mhausenblas: updated various TCs
... and added 3 new TCs
<mhausenblas> TC0008
Yves: we should talk with people from Google
silvia: if there was a standard, they would have used it
... they will probably adopt our spec
Yves: should we add the minutes/seconds spec to our spec, even if
this will overlap?
silvia: we could add the youtube timespec and use it as default
Yves: we should discuss this on the mailinglist
... regarding Jack's objection
([21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009A
ug/0013.html)
... time and space is always present in a video, while track or id
will not always be available
... reason for having two kinds of behaviour
[21]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0013.html)
jackjansen: don't see the advantage in returning the whole resource
in case of a non-existing track or id
<silvia>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
[22] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
jackjansen: wiki version seems now right, different from the minutes
<silvia> [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
[23] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html
<mhausenblas>
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#item03
[24] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/12-mediafrag-minutes.html#item03
silvia: TC0005 should return a 200
... same for TC0006
... I agree with Yves, maybe we should change 'empty track/named
segment' to 'undefined track/named segment'
mhausenblas: we should write a small introduction with information
regarding our terminology
... 3 cases
... empty, undefined, or non-existent
jackjansen: non-existent can only be verified by looking at the
media
<silvia> (run-time analysis)
jackjansen: empty and undefined can be verified by looking at the
URI
<Yves> TC for #xywh=1920,1200,1,1 for a 640x480 picture ?
jackjansen: there is no way to give an undefined space segment
Yves: because space and time are always present in a video
<Yves> TC for #t=20,30 for a 10s video
jackjansen: what about partially existing?
... we should have a TC for that
mhausenblas: two additional cases: existing and partially existing
<Yves> use the numbers as a bitmask
mhausenblas: tool support for TC organization?
<mhausenblas> like
[25]http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
[25] http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
ISSUES
ISSUE-9?
<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Should we have the media type inside the Test
Cases? -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
[26] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/9
mhausenblas: if we want to run a real test harness, we have to know
the media type of the media used
silvia: wait until we have some reference implementations, then we
will see format-specific issues
adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Rapha�l to setup a doodle poll regarding availability
for virtual F2F teleconf [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Yves to write a UC describing the use of aspect ratio
feature [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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Raphaël Troncy
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