- From: Raphaël Troncy <Raphael.Troncy@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:54:53 +0200
- To: Media Fragment <public-media-fragment@w3.org>
All, The minutes of this week telecon are available for review at http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html (and in text format below). Thanks Silvia for the scribing. There will be no telecon next week (because of the F2F meeting), nor the week after (because of the WWW conference). Consequently, the next telecon will be on April 29th, at 12:00 UTC. New actions are: * ACTION-58: Silvia to write the introduction * ACTION-59: Silvia to make the changes to sections 1-5 * ACTION-60: Erik to apply changes to section 6 * ACTION-61: Conrad/Silvia to review 4-way handshake specification in the wiki We aim at requesting publication of our WD Tuesday 14th of April the latest. Cheers! Erik & Raphael ------------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference 08 Apr 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0019.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-irc Attendees Present Silvia, Raphael, Yves, Davy, Erik, Jack Regrets Michael, Conrad Chair Erik, Raphael Scribe Silvia Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ADMIN 2. [6]Upcoming F2F Meeting in Barcelona: 3. [7]PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT 4. [8]action review 5. [9]AOB * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 08 April 2009 <raphael> Scribe: Silvia <raphael> scribenick: nessy ADMIN PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 01st April 2009 telecon: [11]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-mediafrag-minutes.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-mediafrag-minutes.html <raphael> +1 <davy> +1 Upcoming F2F Meeting in Barcelona: raphael: no teleconf next week but F2F on Thu & Fri ... no teleconf the week after F2F because of WWW conf ... next teleconf is on 29th April ... any objections? nessy: no objections raphael: this hour is more convenient for Silvia & Conrad raphael: we keep this hour Agenda building [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ThirdF2FAgenda [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/ThirdF2FAgenda scribe: will assume until 2pm it is reasonable to have Silvia on phone ... will make proposal to put discussion points into time slots ... a discussion on each section of the WD nessy: suggestion to have another HTTP 2-way / 4-way discussion to get Conrad's input ... wants to be present for that raphael: is planned and will take place in the morning PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT raphael: go through section per section and distribute actions ... Introduction nessy: volunteers to write the introduction <scribe> ACTION: nessy to write introduction [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - nessy <scribe> ACTION: silvia to write introduction [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Write introduction [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15]. raphael: discussion on order of the first three sections <raphael> Silvia: i need to revisit the framework, side conditions <raphael> ... re: issue with transcoding <raphael> ... this should go first <raphael> ... and then talk about the use cases and scenarios and ultimately, the dimensions jackjansen: if requirements move up, we need something that gets people in the right frame of mind <raphael> Jack: put the requirements first might break the flow of the reading Silvia: most sections are still independent blocks ... we need lead-over text ... introduction will set the stage, requirements set the framework Jack: maybe move use cases into appendix raphael: use cases are core to the understanding or our challenges and provide motivation for the dimensions ... might be interesting to move the "requirements" up - might be renamed to "side conditions" Jack: agrees to move up "side conditions" ... requirements are really section 5 raphael: new order is 1, 2, 4, 3, 5 ... rename 4 -> side conditions ... rename 5 -> requirements nessy: agree Jack: agree <raphael> +1 <erik> what about typical UC per axis (temporal/spatial/track/named) to get the reader acquainted with the problems (and special cases to appendix)? <scribe> ACTION: silvia to make these changes and other changes to sections 1-5 [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Make these changes and other changes to sections 1-5 [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15]. raphael will make structural changes to WD directly after the teleconf scribe: silvia can then work on it when she has time erik: there are a lot of use cases and it may be interesting to move some to appendix <raphael> Erik: i wonder if the individual use cases should be ordered differently, following the various dimensions: time, space, track, name <raphael> Silvia: I think it is better to group them as they are, by functionality erik: they make for fast reading and need to be part of the reading flow raphael: what about moving the out-of-scope cases into a separate section jack: I like it that the use cases are ordered by usage ... problem is that there are so many and they slow down reading speed ... 17 different use cases may be too much detail raphael: original charter had 2 documents - a use cases & requirements ... and a technology document ... we now have all in one document ... we can later split documents again if it is too much to read ... can discuss at F2F ... should leave it for now ... so we have the current status together in a single document jack: ok leave it as is nessy: agree raphael: section 5 ... replace the numbers with req-xx ... and move the table to an appendix <raphael> Raphael: replace the 1,2,3 in the fitness table by human readable labels: fit, partial, etc. jack: instead of having the table 5.5, it makes more sense to list the types of capabilities containers have nessy to add a note to the table & running text that we ask people for input to the table to complete it <raphael> Silvia: add also an editorial note in the main text to warn the commnity we need their input to complete this table nessy: I will add these changes raphael: section 6 ... improved heaps erik: if we should move stuff to appendix, we can live with that ... table in 6.3 still needs heaps of input raphael: MPEG-7 has track references nessy: HTML5 should be removed, since it will do whatever we define ... replace "temporal URI" with "temporal URI/Ogg" to include the track addressing, to ... "Annodex" would be correct, too, but "temporal URI" is the best known spec out of this raphael: should section 6 be moved down in the document, so we can get specifications first? erik: I can live with that raphael: I will move this section down and do all structural changes on document directly after the meeting before anyone else will edit again jack: editorial suggestion - 6.2 is formatted completely different from 6.1 ... formatting of 6.1 is great - could we apply it to 6.2 ? erik: will make changes <scribe> ACTION: erik to apply changes to section 6 [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Apply changes to section 6 [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-04-15]. raphael: section 7 ... in section 7.3 we stop talking about fragments, but talk about sections or segments ... 7.3 needs an introductory note jack: I will create an introductory note and explain that it can be either a fragment or a query ... we need some standard terminology raphael: do we call it dimensions or axis general consensus on "dimension jack: do we prefer "temporal" over "time" - "spatial" over "space" - "named" over "name"? ... track will stay track <raphael> +1 jack: all others become "temporal", "spatial", "named" nessy: +1 jack: I tend to use "clipping" for temporal and "cropping" for spatial ... is that a good idea or should we just use one? nessy: "clipping" has a different implication for audio ... maybe "cutting"? jack: but we use "audio clip" nessy: ok, fair enough jack: 7.4 might need more structure ... but how ... is still very incomplete ... need to continue collecting semantic issues <raphael> Semantic issue: [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3 [17] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3 jack: restructure when we have a more complete collection nessy: suggestion to add a note to the section explaining the need to contribute more semantic issues jack: ok, will do raphael: section 8 ... Yves pointed out that 4-way contained errors Yves: did not understand from temporal URI where the resolution of time-bytes happens nessy: I will go back and read that section again and make sure the 4-way is correctly specified <scribe> ACTION: silvia and conrad to review 4-way handshake specification [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - And conrad to review 4-way handshake specification [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-04-15]. <Yves> and I note that there is still a discussion on the ML ;) raphael: should reply be 204 in initial handshake for 4-way handshake Yves: if you're sending content, then no jack: that is missing in the specification nessy: header is being sent in first handshake jack: in 2-way handshake this may be missing, too - but it's more complicated raphael: silvia & conrad - please make changes in wiki ... I will then sync the wiki with the WD myself nessy: ok <raphael> ACTION-55? <trackbot> ACTION-55 -- Yves Lafon to change the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled -- due 2009-04-08 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/55 [19] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/55 action review <raphael> close ACTION-55 <trackbot> ACTION-55 Change the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled closed <raphael> ACTION-56? <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Yves Lafon to change the formal grammar to have unreserved characters + %-escaped ones in utf8string and _not_ a set of pchars -- due 2009-04-08 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/56 [20] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/56 <raphael> close ACTION-56 <trackbot> ACTION-56 Change the formal grammar to have unreserved characters + %-escaped ones in utf8string and _not_ a set of pchars closed close ACTION-55 <trackbot> ACTION-55 Change the formal grammar to have 'percent' spelled closed <raphael> Yves: I have just done a small modification in the ABNF synta Yves: I added pchar to make it consistent <raphael> Jack: to move these changes in the WD <raphael> ACTION-49? <trackbot> ACTION-49 -- Yves Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units (completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due 2009-03-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49 [21] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49 still open <raphael> close ACTION-51 <trackbot> ACTION-51 Summarize the content of the wiki page to put in the main document, with few examples and a short story closed erik finalized that <raphael> ACTION-57? <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Jack Jansen to enter formally in the tracker the ISSUE he has found, regarding a) transcoding and b) spatial cropping -- due 2009-04-08 -- OPEN <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/57 [22] http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/57 <raphael> close ACTION-57 <trackbot> ACTION-57 Enter formally in the tracker the ISSUE he has found, regarding a) transcoding and b) spatial cropping closed jack finalized 57 AOB raphael: we will not publish document tomorrow ... let's aim for publication on Tuesday ... would prefer making the request to publish it before the F2F because the WWW conference will delay it further otherwise nessy: +1 raphael: thanks for attending conference and will see you next week <raphael> will give it a try <raphael> type: s/Topic: Actions Review/Topic: Actions Review Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: erik to apply changes to section 6 [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: nessy to write introduction [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: silvia and conrad to review 4-way handshake specification [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: silvia to make these changes and other changes to sections 1-5 [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: silvia to write introduction [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html#action02] [End of minutes] -- Raphaël Troncy CWI (Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science), Science Park 123, 1098 XG Amsterdam, The Netherlands e-mail: raphael.troncy@cwi.nl & raphael.troncy@gmail.com Tel: +31 (0)20 - 592 4093 Fax: +31 (0)20 - 592 4312 Web: http://www.cwi.nl/~troncy/
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