Minutes of the W3C Rights Automation Community Group 2021-03-03

Please find the minutes of today’s meeting at https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html and pasted below.

Summary of action items

  1.  Jo to draft a statement on IP for members of the group to pass by their control functions/legal teams<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#a01>
Summary of resolutions

  1.  Hold next meeting 4pm UK, 1200 EST<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r01>
  2.  Accept minutes of last meeting<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r02>
  3.  We will take an emergent approach to testing and test suites, and Ben will take the lead on this<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#r03>

 Rights Automation Community Group Teleconference
03 March 2021
[Agenda.]<https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/agendas/md-odrl-profile-agenda-2021-03-03.html> [IRC log.] <https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-irc>
Attendees
Present
adam, alex, ali, atiq, belen, ben, caspar, emily, Ilya, jeremy, jo, letitia, mark, marko, mevan, michelle, nigelp, Olga, trisha
Regrets
josh, laura, renato
Chair
Jo
Scribe
jo, nigelp
Contents

  1.  Admin<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t01>
  2.  The path forward<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t02>
  3.  Test Cases Continued ...<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t03>
  4.  AOB<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#t04>
  5.  Summary of action items<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  6.  Summary of resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

Meeting minutes
Admin

Minutes of last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/02/17-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html


Jo: actions from last meeting, ben to clarify fungibility

ben: keep open

jo: ben to chase re getting chat on zoom

ben: was working earlier

jo: lets check that again later

jo: clock change - need to decide 3pm UK or 4pm UK for next meeting

Resolution: Hold next meeting 4pm UK, 1200 EST

Resolution: Accept minutes of last meeting

The path forward

jo_ First public draft: formal point in W3C process where public is asked to contribute
… would typically have some form of interoperability test suite at this stage

ben: my sense is early implementations will lead to the development of test suite; premature to try to have one now.

Caspar_MacRae: agree - first users will almost certainly raise new requirements

jo_: may have to adopt iterative process here. Question: who will write test cases and in what form?

ben: happy to manage any emergent framework

mark_bird: is first POC we demo at the end of the month art of this iterative process (i.e. will drive initial test cases)

ben: yes, exactly.
… two aspects are to assert certain inputs are "valid"
… given a valid input, what is the expected output?

Resolution: We will take an emergent approach to testing and test suites, and Ben will take the lead on this

ben: would the duty (for example) be seen as fulfilled or unfulfilled

jo_: should we discuss IPR?
… (i.e. Intellectual Property Rights)

ben: for context, community group have so far acknowledged they have no IP claim to their contributions.
… extension is that W3C would encourage moving to a position where community membership disclaim any IP rights to anything mentioned in the standard.

jo_: clarification this is not people revoking IP claims to assets in the standard, only to asserting that they hold no IP that impedes implementation of the standard

Ilya: would have to refer internally to relevant parties. Extremely helpful to have proposed wording.

Action: Jo to draft a statement on IP for members of the group to pass by their control functions/legal teams

jo_: once standard is published, what should be the next steps?
… also how do we maintain the standard going forward?
… propose to maintain cadence of meetings during implementation period, but perhaps shorten duration.

mark_bird: feedback that the work to date is seen as focused on exchange data rather than other content. Worth demonstrating other use cases for standard.
… would suggest it was beneficial if this ran in parallel with implementation period.

ben: have focused on market data on the assumption it covers most issues. Need the views of others on whether this is valid or if it is important to look at other cases early in the process.

mark_bird: I think there will be work to do on this aspect.

jo_: W3C ask if we want to move from community group to working group. Requires members to join W3C. Can be expensive for large organisations.

ben: possibly too early in the process for this step.

Test Cases Continued ...

ben: good progress in last session. Near finishing.
… To be solved relates to "free trials". Ben to propose extensions
… on redistribution there is a question on distinction between public web sites and white labelled products.

MichelleR: public is relatively rare - more commonly servicing specific clients.
… white labelling is typically reselling someone else's service to your clients with your branding on it

Jeremy: we see the "white labelling" use cases.

ben: DD-6 - IP owner is an interesting point. Proposes to support statements to the effect that the derived data is unencumbered by obligations inherited from the raw data used as inputs to creating it.
… DD-8 need help to understand use case

NigelP: agree this is unclear

ben: R-3 - R-5 under Audit. Are these too detailed?

Olga: do we need to address these to deal with audit frequency?

ben: I think we can cover this in audit duties.

AOB

ben: last "to be solved" is in Termination

<jo_> jo: thanks to Nigel for scribing!

<jo_> --- meeting closed




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