Minutes of the W3C Rights Automation Community Group 2020-05-27

Please find the minutes of today’s meeting at https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html and pasted below.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to clarify the question as an ISSUE on GitHub and to lead discussion on list in respect of it
[NEW] ACTION: BEN to raise an ISSUE on that and ask for comments on list
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to work with Mark to come up with a document outline for Engagement Document
[NEW] ACTION: Paul to circulate draft agenda on list


Summary of Resolutions

  1.  Minutes of last meeting agreed<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#resolution01>
Thanks
Jo
Rights Autoamtion Community Group Teleconference
27 May 2020
Attendees
Present
jo, Phil, atic, josh, mark, Natasha, fred, paul, Ben, ilya, michelle, rich, olga, Trisha, laura
Regrets
Renato
Chair
jo
Scribe
jo
Contents

  *   Topics<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#agenda>
     *   Admin<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item01>
     *   Webinar<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item02>
     *   Engaging the exchanges<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item03>
     *   Work to Date<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item04>
     *   Engaging the Exchanges<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item05>
     *   External Standards<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item06>
     *   AOB<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#item07>
  *   Summary of Action Items<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ActionSummary>
  *   Summary of Resolutions<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary>

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<scribe> scribe: jo

Admin

Minutes of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2020/05/13-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html


RESOLUTION: Minutes of last meeting agreed

Webinar

Paul: Webinar with FISD, agenda circulated, speakers mostly agreed
... mostly an update on previous edition, but some things will be new to some people
... so want to cover the basics as well
... ideas from Michelle and Atiq to "spice it up"

Michelle: to give some background for people who haven't been involved before, something a little less formal
... stepping it on with stuff we have all been doing

Atiq: it is a year on, now we have a working group it would be good to step forward
... look at objectives, vocabulary, language and so on
... what can we do to support while we are waiting for the vocab
... to emerge, document use cases and so so
... all about what we can do in our companies to support the next wave of work

Paul: more about use cases, less about theory and concepts?

Atiq: need to avoid repeat, things have moved on
... what else can we do help process move forward

ben: not an all or nothing thing
... we can progress these things while standardisation moves forward

Michelle: other things need to be build out, how do get licenses together and so on

ben: in terms of giving an overview, my and Jo's section can cover it, and if you can talk about preparing your orgs for a more automated world
... sounds good

Paul: sounds good to me. put enough explanatory stuff to get people up to speed.

mark: hoping to use /my section to help people to appreciate that they can actually understand ODRL

(discussion of collapsing parts of the agenda down)

Michelle: maybe we can talk a little more informally

Atiq: agree

Paul: like the conversational approach
... is anyone else interested in being a speaker?

<scribe> ACTION: Paul to circulate draft agenda on list

Engaging the exchanges

<benws_> https://w3c.github.io/market-data-odrl-profile/NewTerms.html


(trying to find speaker)

Work to Date

ben: have linked to new terms
... not a deep dive but calling out a couple of things
... agent ... people and systems that do things
... acting ... as a broker, as a principal
... have some preliminary definitions in the document
... please contribute by email or by direct editing of the document
... in some cases regulators have come in from them
... question - how comfortable is group with using definitions from regulators ...

Michael: European exchanges use terminology from regulators, maybe because of MIFID 2
... required to appease the regulation
... but we are all under different regulatory obligations
... we are all talking about the same thing, in broad terms
... licenses may be specifically different

ben: quote from CBT - what do we all care about? Basically distribution, non-display and creation of new products

Michael: agree with that, as the types of data become broader, agreements reflect value and use - e.g. indexes vs exchange data (end of day vs real time)

ben: what is the distinction between an asset and a resource?
... resources may be data, api calls, bandwidth ... we are mainly interested in data
... I want to get at the underlying concept of data set without reference to the means of delivery etc.
... the slicing and dicing comes in the definition of the asset
... wondering if the distinction makes sense, will what I am trying to do work?

Mark: makes sense to me
... question, in this model asset has an attribute of timing

ben: what you can do belongs at the permission level
... goes on to explain

Phil: I like the distinction between asset and resource
... however some aspects are just a refinement of the resource, rather than creating an asset by adding value

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to clarify the question as an ISSUE on GitHub and to lead discussion on list in respect of it

Ben: I also described a number of actions - found it useful to do that

<scribe> ACTION: BEN to raise an ISSUE on that and ask for comments on list

Engaging the Exchanges

Michael: following last round of emails I thought important to engage the exchanges
... exchanges need to decide whether to participate in this initiative and thought of writing a document
... to explain from exchanges point of view, also thought it could be extended to look at the vendor and client point of view too
... pointing out the value of engagement
... it will take a week or so to get this together, but what does everyone else think about this as a means of communication

ben: I'm disappointed that there is no one new at this meeting. We haven't managed to translate interest into engagement
... a while ago we talked about having a less technical venue
... and no licensing obligation - a wider discussion forum
... elm council supports interest groups that anyone can join

jo: think we should create a document of the kind Michael describes as part of the work effort of this gropup
... if Michael will take the lead as editor of such an educational document then I'd like us to embrace it as a work output

mark: different exchanges have different fears, cataloguing them would be useful

Michael: FAQ kind of style to it

<scribe> ACTION: Michael to work with Mark to come up with a document outline for Engagement Document

External Standards

ben: thanks Ilya for his suggestions
... question for the group, I'd like us to have something to say about what licenses apply to data that is running through our systems?
... basic question is identifying data, so we can apply the right permissions

(Atiq will join Ben in looking at this question)

Ilya: worried about the scope being beyond what this group is here to do

ben: take your point, please join the call so you can make the point that it is out of scope

(Michelle also offers to join the call)

AOB

(none)

--- meeting closed

Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to clarify the question as an ISSUE on GitHub and to lead discussion on list in respect of it
[NEW] ACTION: BEN to raise an ISSUE on that and ask for comments on list
[NEW] ACTION: Michael to work with Mark to come up with a document outline for Engagement Document
[NEW] ACTION: Paul to circulate draft agenda on list


Summary of Resolutions

  1.  Minutes of last meeting agreed<https://www.w3.org/2020/05/27-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html#resolution01>
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