Re: Proposed Maturity Model Sync disclaimer and other pertinent edits

I am not saying we won’t work on an assessment tool. What I am saying is that the spreadsheet is not the assessment tool. It is an experimental work in progress.  It isn’t inextricably embedded throughout the document. The rephrasing I suggested easily backs it out and replaces it with a generic method that anyone can use with, or outside of, the spreadsheet and get similar results, if not the same. I wouldn’t say they nobody objected to the spreadsheet during our draft updates. We have 13 unresolved GitHub issues left all related to the spreadsheet. The narrative document needs to be technology/tool agnostic. Organizations need to have the ability to create their own custom tooling specific to their own business models rather than our document dictating a specific technology, even if it is just a spreadsheet. I, for one, don’t think the spreadsheet works. I have been reserving my comments on that topic for the appropriate time to focus on all of those issues. Had I realized this edit took place sooner, I would have brought this up sooner.

The narrative document does not refer to the assessment tool that we intend to develop as a prototype. The assessment spreadsheet is referred to as a prototype.
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On Nov 24, 2024, at 8:24 AM, Jeff Kline <jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com> wrote:


David, Sounds good. Let me call everyone’s attention to our APA Maturity Model Task Force page and Work Scope page which clearly state that the assessment tool is in the scope of the group’s mission.
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Sounds good.


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So, unless the scope has somehow changed without our knowledge, we can put to rest the question of whether or not the assessment tool’s  inclusion as integral to the work.


  1.  There is no precedent that I could find for maturity models, accessibility or otherwise, where the model is does not include a tool / method for progress measurement.


  1.  As mentioned earlier, the references to the assessment tool in our MM document are completely integrated so it’s not obvious that reference to it or  its inclusion could be backed out without significant compromise to the model and work, which has been published, presented, reviewed, accepted, and viewed very favorably by both w3c members and the public (rightly so!) so it’s not clear why we would want to “throw the baby out with the bath water” when we have a world class, state of the art model / assessment tool.


  1.  With all that in mind, I do agree that it might not be appropriate to refer to the tool as a prototype, but that is a terminology issue that can be easily resolved. Perhaps referring to the tool it as “beta” version, for example, would accurately depict where we are with the tool and provides us with flexibility as to where we go with it towards a more “final” version. Here is one of many similar examples of the definition:

               From Wiktionary :
What is a beta version?
(computing) An early version of a program or application that contains most of the major features, but is not yet complete. Sometimes these versions are released only to a select group of people, or to the general public, for testing and feedback.

All for now……I look forward to comments from others in our group.

Happy Thanksgiving, All!

jeff


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From: David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2024 at 9:10 PM
To: Jeff Kline <jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com<mailto:jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com>>
Cc: public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org> <public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Proposed Maturity Model Sync disclaimer and other pertinent edits
We are communicating through the Public Task Force List. This topic will be at the top of next meetings agenda. Until then, this is the correct channel to communicate our thoughts to the group on this issue. We can’t fully address all issues in the 1 hour of meeting time we have every week. So, we are encouraged to discuss those issues through email to the Public List. Everyone is encouraged to respond as they see fit.

From: Jeff Kline <jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com<mailto:jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:21 PM
To: David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>>
Cc: public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org> <public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: Proposed Maturity Model Sync disclaimer and other pertinent edits

Thanks, David, for the response.


At this point, I think it’s best to table this for our next meeting and have a thorough discussion and get input from the rest of the team.

On Nov 22, 2024, at 7:53 PM, David Fazio <dfazio@helixopp.com<mailto:dfazio@helixopp.com>> wrote:

The assessment spreadsheet was agreed to be an experimental prototype. We agreed that we would provide instructions on how to use it. It cannot be a prototype while, at the same time, serve as the definitive method to use the Maturity Model. These edits were overlooked during the “usability” update in June, and we need to correct them.

Furthermore, the Assessment Spreadsheet is not what is being put forward to Note publication status. The narrative document is the Group Note draft, therefore the Excel spreadsheet template should not be more  up-to-date with proof points than the narrative document.

2.4 Assessment Template states:

Organizational ICT Accessibility Maturity is assessed using the Accessibility Maturity Model assessment template. The template contains worksheet tabs specific to each dimension<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=w3c.github.io&t=h.eJxFjEsOgyAUAK9i6LaCClLjyquAPPRVPkYxrW1695ZVt5OZeZNjc6QvyJzSuveMPfhIJ0zzoSlG5lU6Nkxn6aMBxy7GhtKgh7BjDORakCW3AVLcJps6wYWomLHqhXGYweEzrisdo2ctH2WtGluBFqBvvLFCW9N2WtUgZdOx-seEbIWUVLZcNiLfId_vYO0GJ3V0cRhgmLxCl6fZMNn4k88Xk8NBJw.MEUCIFqG61-qQEs3PNpbg6qnEXLp31v_X7dhhF-V9mNPUYYSAiEApKAouiCVtLDMxaFAhB2OEmjQ_O3iYEOyMFz1Yrj8nb8>. The dimension tabs are organized with the dimension definitions and outcomes for each of the four maturity levels<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=w3c.github.io&t=h.eJxFzMsSgiAYQOFXaWiboNxyXPkqID9KgjiElTW9e7Gp7Zkz3wttyaPugKac12tHyJ0NeHR52jR2kQSVt-TyXoVowJOjsUv1ax5u4NHpgOYCLJBjGm1uOeO8Jsaqp4v9BN494rriIQYi2CAbRW0NmoM-M2q5tka0WjUgJW1J821cCi4lloJJyosORb-AtQl27PHs3QL9GJTzBS2HKce_vD8spEMl.MEUCIDACxd85TBHg4K6J9u75IzJVPe-NQLpHGDm1qVLuv0ACAiEA6kZHugiUFpXHOxoqa7zpefM6XPI2Zm9mQIAvQ5bKMyI> and provides a list of the dimension’s proof points<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=w3c.github.io&t=h.eJxFjMESgiAUAH-loWtCCpLjqV8BeU9J9DGEU9b078Wp687uvtmWAusPbMo53nshHnLgo8_TZrknsZi8JZ_3aiEHQRwdrlVMRFhF8mtmpwObS71CpjRi7pRU6iwcmpen6wTBPylGPtAiWjno2jR4BqvAXmSDyqJrO2tq0LrpRP1jSrdKa65bqRtV7lDuN0BMsPPA5-BXuI6L8aFMi-GK8SefLyl0Qd4.MEYCIQCHCYVtOjT0B-XJxD-1fS066cd6_ENmPgaDzE8D5ihPXQIhAPiex2eFC5AeRfy8dRsp8ofGDfH9vn-iYWUGm04QvF2j>.

Fazio comments:

A prototype has no place being passed off as a final product, as this statement applies. This language was not agreed to.

The Maturity Model is not dependent on any specific tooling. It is dependent on a defined process that looks something like the 3 steps below:

Decide which proof points will be used to assess your organization's [Dimension] accessibility maturity. Not all proof points may apply to every business or organization. The proof points listed here are non-exhaustive examples of criteria. They may, or may not apply. You may identify other proof points in their place and/or additional proof points.

List all of the organization's documentation in relation to the identified proof points.

Determine what accessibility maturity level your proof point documentation supports for {that Dimension].

End Fazio comments

2.4.1 Maturity Model Excel Spreadsheet states:

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We encourage you to make a copy of the assessment template worksheet to get started.

EDITOR'S NOTE

The Maturity Model assessment worksheet is intended as a high-fidelity prototype to measure organizational maturity and was developed in an Excel format. The final published format is to be determined, but is envisioned as HTML. It may also be made available in other downloadable, accessible formats.

Fazio comments:

This statement was agreed on by the Task Force. The excel spreadsheet has been serving as a sort of backend wireframe, but it is by no means an endorsed method of implementation. It has always been experimental.

End Fazio comments.

EDITOR'S NOTE number 2 states:

This spreadsheet is experimental and is a work in progress. The proof point<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=w3c.github.io&t=h.eJxFjMESgiAUAH-loWtCCpLjqV8BeU9J9DGEU9b078Wp687uvtmWAusPbMo53nshHnLgo8_TZrknsZi8JZ_3aiEHQRwdrlVMRFhF8mtmpwObS71CpjRi7pRU6iwcmpen6wTBPylGPtAiWjno2jR4BqvAXmSDyqJrO2tq0LrpRP1jSrdKa65bqRtV7lDuN0BMsPPA5-BXuI6L8aFMi-GK8SefLyl0Qd4.MEYCIQCHCYVtOjT0B-XJxD-1fS066cd6_ENmPgaDzE8D5ihPXQIhAPiex2eFC5AeRfy8dRsp8ofGDfH9vn-iYWUGm04QvF2j> in this document may not be in sync with the supporting Excel spreadsheet template. The Excel spreadsheet template has the most up-to-date proof point<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=w3c.github.io&t=h.eJxFjMESgiAUAH-loWtCCpLjqV8BeU9J9DGEU9b078Wp687uvtmWAusPbMo53nshHnLgo8_TZrknsZi8JZ_3aiEHQRwdrlVMRFhF8mtmpwObS71CpjRi7pRU6iwcmpen6wTBPylGPtAiWjno2jR4BqvAXmSDyqJrO2tq0LrpRP1jSrdKa65bqRtV7lDuN0BMsPPA5-BXuI6L8aFMi-GK8SefLyl0Qd4.MEYCIQCHCYVtOjT0B-XJxD-1fS066cd6_ENmPgaDzE8D5ihPXQIhAPiex2eFC5AeRfy8dRsp8ofGDfH9vn-iYWUGm04QvF2j>.

Fazio comments: This statement that the spreadsheet is experimental and a work in progress was agreed to by the Task Force. It contradicts the previous, unapproved, statement that organizational ICT Accessibility Maturity is assessed using the Accessibility Maturity Model assessment template.

Experimental works in progress should not be more current, or up to date than the Editor’s Draft.

End Fazio comments

From: Jeff Kline <jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com<mailto:jeffrey.l.kline@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2024 at 7:58 AM
To: public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org> <public-maturity@w3.org<mailto:public-maturity@w3.org>>
Subject: Proposed Maturity Model Sync disclaimer and other pertinent edits

See the attached.

Note that when reviewing this section (2.4) of the document, I found that there was other information that needed updating.

You can see all of the proposed edits and comments in Track Changes.

Regards,


Regards,


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