Re: [math-on-web] a11y TF meeting minutes, 2017-03-13

Hi everyone,

An implicit action item was for me to summarize my test results -- see
https://www.peterkrautzberger.org/0192/ for more information.

Best,
Peter.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Peter Krautzberger <
peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> below are the minutes from the a11y task force meeting this week.
>
> See you later for the regular call.
> Peter.
>
> # 2017-03-13 MathOnWeb a11y TF
>
> * Peter: extended the demos, some more tests with MathML AT
>   * Dani: summary would be great
>     * Peter: blog post as soon as I get to it
> * Charles: at CSUN spoke with Doug Schepers who wants to provide more
> deep-data inside SVG so that other frontends can access that data
>   * if it's just about accessibility, then ARIA makes sense
>   * but if it's for other tech, then other it might need a different
> technology
>   * Dani: if it's not just math but phsyics or music
> * Charles: right. STEM obvious target
>   * but where does that fit in W3C
>   * is there even anythig beyond ARIA
>   * Peter: HTML maybe, but currently seems focused on interactive
> (summry/details etc)
> * Dani: we're mixing ideas a bit
>   * native features vs new tools
>   * I'm not expecting native features for math (a11y)
>   * but tools that could add aria roles / labels etc
>   * could be dependent on actual content, with JS
>     * so authors don't worry about it
>   * Peter: agreed. contextual information will be critical.
> * Charles: dynamic makes sense
>   * also language dependence
>   * speech rules per teachers
>
> * Peter: let's discuss role=math
>   * Charles: we had issues with double voicing
>     * Peter: implementations are even messier than the "dumb" role
>   * Charles: but if we improve it, then physics, music, etc too?
>   * Peter: right. I'm more for identifying neutral features.
>   * Dani: agree. But what is role=math for then?
>   * Peter: could still be useful as a fallback position
>     * if ARIA objects for general feature, we can at least do it in math
>   * Charles: at CSUN there was a project where an interpreter is reading
> chunks
>     * Peter: MathJax's a11y extensions do this to some degree
>    * Charles: PHET group providing separate DOM tree for a11y to make
> their interactive animations work
>     * at CSUN hackathon, did some work on chunking this
> * Daniel: what's next here?
>   * Peter: gather some use cases for role=math, e.g., what comes from your
> experiments
>   * Daniel: don't really see the need; it's not a button or anything
> special
>   * Peter: but providing info like list, table, link
>     * Charles: heard similarly from ETS
> * Peter: perhaps best to focus on what helps make accessible solutions
> possible
>   * ACTION: Call for comments / next CG meeting
>