- From: Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:11:57 -0700
- To: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
- Cc: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAJeQ8SBoOUOVJpToWCr2bFmGD5QYnbocAkB=1iQ_b-4pAukrkA@mail.gmail.com>
Here is my opinion, and it is just that. I like two spaces after a period for semantic reasons. A sentence is the smallest complete meaningful object you can construct with words and punctuation. I think it deserves a special full stop. The study was really good. Very careful. I liked the conclusion. The double space helps as a statical measure, but the functional difference may not be enough to make a real difference to users. Best, Wayne On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:59 PM Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org> wrote: > Oh, dear, this got my attention and brought back memories! > > Briefly, my understanding is that: > * In the days of typewriters with fixed-width font, the standard was two > spaces after periods. (or, more accurately, after “terminal punctuation”, > including periods and explanation marks and question marks) > * Variable width fonts, sophisticated kerning, and such made two spaces no > longer needed for most readers to clearly distinguish the end of sentences. > * Once "desktop publishing" (DTP) made these common-place, professional > publications went to single space after periods. > > One thing to note is that two spaces after periods increases the > likelihood of “rivers of white”[1]. From a low vision perspective, this is > significantly increased with some things we do to increase legibility and > readability. That is, I think often two spaces after periods *decreases* > readability for some readers with low vision. > > Of course, there are some for whom two spaces after periods increases > readability – including some with low vision who cannot easily see periods > and some with certain cognitive disabilities. Thus, I would support extra > space after periods being an option, and would oppose it being a suggested > practice. > > (I also wonder about the priority of it. My initial feeling is that it is > fairly low priority compared to other things needed to improve readability > by people with cognitive, learning, and visual disabilities. Yet, I have > not researched this particular point since about 1995. :-) > > --- > > > https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13414-018-1527-6 > > Quote: "It should be noted that the paragraphs used in the current > experiment were presented in a monospaced fixed font.” > Quote: “Inter-line spacing was quadruple…" > > It is very good that they clearly stated the font and the line spacing. > And, I think that makes the study nearly irrelevant for today’s text. > > (side note: I found it interesting that people who type one space had > reading speeds of 85, 82, 78, 79; and people who type two spaces had > reading speeds of 72, 70, 71, 74. That is quite a difference.) > > --- > > A little relevant background: I was a trained and professional technical > writer and editor in the late '80s and early '90s – near the start of the > DTP era. (yup, with my early Mac, PageMaker software, and LaserWriter > printer ;-) At that time, there was a strong feeling in the DTP field that > one space after period was the sign of a professional, and two spaces was > the sign of an amateur or old school typewriter training. > > Personally, whenever I get a document with two spaces after periods, it is > one of the first things I customize – replace with one space. I cannot say > how much of this is due to past indoctrination that it is amateurish, and > how much is to improve readability and cognitive processing for me. > > OK, I've said enough for now. :-) > > Best, > ~Shawn > > [1] rivers of white https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_(typography) > > > On 10/15/2019 12:57 PM, Jim Allan wrote: > > is spacing after punctuation (e.g. 2 spaces after period) an issue for > low vision folks? > > https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13414-018-1527-6 > > > > -- > > Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator > > Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired > > 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 > > voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9452 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ > > "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964 > >
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