LVTF Minutes: September 20, 2018

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Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
20 Sep 2018
Attendees

Present
    Shawn, AlastairC, Jason, Jim, Laura, Wayne
Regrets
Chair
    SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
    Laura

Contents

    Topics
        horizontal scrolling and reflow - thread
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JulSep/0299.html
        Process suvey
        upcoming meeting schedule:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Meeting_Schedule
    Summary of Action Items
    Summary of Resolutions

horizontal scrolling and reflow - thread
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2018JulSep/0299.html

<scribe> Scribe: Laura

jim: horizontal scrolling and reflow discussion started by AC

AC: brought up on AC call. and he had a client an issue.
... wanted to make the whole group aware.
... applies in carousel.
... can present usability issues but don't think it is lv issue.

Jim: if it has contols on it it would be okay.

<alastairc> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Video/b/ref=nav_shopall_aiv?ie=UTF8&node=3010085031

AC: some don’t have controls on.
... amazon example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Video/b/ref=nav_shopall_aiv?ie=UTF8&node=3010085031
... don’t think it causes an issue.

jim: amazon moves big chunks and misses some content.

AC: not best example.

jim: that would be a fail.

shawn: awkward but doable.

AC: native browser scrolling is a better option.
... multilingual aspect was reason for allowing for multiple scrolling.

wayne: maybe nuances that we don't catch.

AC: can’t make assumptions on how languages scroll.

jim: what is our question here?

AC: more of an explanation.

jim: do we need to add to the understanding doc?

AC: good point. Need to find a simple example.

wayne: block of acceptable stuff.
... No menu axis should drag text in the same direction off the screen.

<alastairc> Update needed for
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/reflow.html

wayne: very distracting.

<AllanJ> even though a table may need to scroll horizontally, the rest
of the text on the page need to be constrained to the viewport

jim: need to make a page for this use case.
... should be a technique.

AC: one would be a data table that doesn’t fit 320.

<AllanJ> content scrolling within reflowable page

Jim: title could be: "Content scrolling within reflowable page"

<AllanJ> table that needs scrolling and a block of text that scrolls
within content (div with overflow)

<AllanJ> also an issue with toolbars.

<AllanJ> should be able to move the horizontal scroll bar to top of page.

AC: someone needs to raise a bug with Microsoft with touch pad.

jim: Some widgets may help to move scroll bar.

AC: Jake has a good starting point.

jim: large URLs break it.
... that is a technique that I have out there. could be a 1 column page.

wayne: example doesn’t make it a t 320.

AC: data table is too big. uses native scrollbar.

jim: if I scroll over to the right side. nothing is there. Table vanishes.

AC: works on Mac.

jim: scrollbar is there. Now it works!
... useful page.
... anyone want to make try doing the technique?

<alastairc> This would be a good template example to use:
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/blob/master/techniques/css/C32.html

jim: I can work with wayne on it.

wayne: almost like carousel.
... I will work on it with Jim.

<AllanJ> technique is to compensate for the exceptions in reflow. use
for table and horizontally text

AC: Perhaps an understanding doc update too.

Jim: wayne and I will work on that too.

<AllanJ> ACTION: jim to create technique for scrolling within page and
understanding with wayne.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Create technique for scrolling within
page and understanding with wayne. [on Jim Allan - due 2018-09-27].

<AllanJ> close item 1

<AllanJ> close item 2
Process suvey

<AllanJ> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/process-results-pt1/

Jim: There is a AG process survey in progress.
... need feedback on Consensus, Timeline, scope and quality, Github,
Volume and locations of discussion, Behaviour and meetings, and Volume
and locations of discussion.

AC: need to come up with solutions.

<AllanJ> open item 1

AC: Would like more responses.

<AllanJ> wayne: kudos to responsive WBS
upcoming meeting schedule:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Meeting_Schedule

jim: upcoming meeting schedule is posted.
... maybe time to revisit user needs doc.
... if meetings are needed contact shawn.
... that should take us to the end of the year.

<alastairc> On of the agenda for TPAC will be a TF update, and
discussion about supplemental guidance. Might be a good agenda point
for here, prior to TPAC?

AC: One of the agenda items for TPAC will be a TF update.
... supplemental guidance is on the table for before silver

<AllanJ> best practices document (perhaps)

AC: could be like the mobile best practices doc
... or like quick ref.

wayne: color and font are 2 that we couldn’t get through.

Jim: color and font could get into silver as well as supplemental guidance.

Jason: a lot of stuff coming from AR and VR tech.

AC: come up from Alex Lee.
... may be a useful project to have an overlapping project. No one has
taken it on yet.

jason: a lot to unpack.

AC: if MS wants to bring it to AG. We would be happy to take it on if,
we have people to know about it.

Jim: no meeting next week. If you need anything contact Shawn.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jim to create technique for scrolling within page and
understanding with wayne.

Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]

-- 
Laura L. Carlson

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