Re: Reflow: Two details

I tend to agree with the image issue. People who have LV or dyslexia often
use screen readers and get the alt-text and long description anyway. Tables
do use stupid constructs that force horizontal scrolling like using long
URLs that take up more than CSS 320px. Consider the following dummy code.

-------------------Start Code-----------------------------------
<table style="max-width: 100%">
<tr><th style="max-width: 100%">
<!--a href="Whatever">
http://abcdefghijkl/mnop/qrstuv/wxyz/123456/7890</a-->
<a href="http://nosetothepage.org/Fitz/2dScroll.html" style="max-width:
100%">
http://nosetothepage.org/Fitz/2dScroll.html
</a>
</th></tr>
<tr><td style="max-width: 100%">
As a reader of horizontal scrolling for 59 years and a mathematician, I
decided to quantify what I have always thought about the process.</td></tr>
</table>
-----------------------End Code-------------------------------------------

It will overflow.  It seems dumb, and is, but I've seen similar tabular
configurations.

I am just struck in an ironic way of the language. There does appear to be
an implied gestalt, that one must perceive the whole to operate or
understand. For example, and email client seems to think that the mailbox
tree must be visible at all times on a laptop or desktop, they drop that
for mobile presentation. Obviously that is not required for usage or
meaning. Many applications that are targeted just for laptop and desk have
similar panes that developers insist are required for usage and meaning.
They are not, but the claim can be made. At that point the irony becomes
less funny, the fact that an application can be used and comprehended with
horizontal scrolling means that the multi pane presentation is not required
for understanding and / or meaning. Do you see.

Wayne

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
wrote:

> HI Wayne,
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> There is a difference between “cannot use” and “has to scroll”.
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> Take a picture as an example, not something that can be reflowed
> technically or practically. You can either fit the whole thing to the
> viewport (and not make out the details); or, you can zoom in (with
> scrolling) to make out the details, a bit at a time.
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> For 2.1 we can’t change the SC text now, but the way forward in future
> would be to identify a practical means of over-coming the problem.
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> Some tables can be reflowed practically, and I think we should have an
> advisory technique for that. However, some of our clients provide huge
> tables they can’t break down in practice, such as a house’s energy usage.
> (3 layers of headers, ~13 columns & ~30 rows!)
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> Slightly separately, I agree that the content within table cells should
> reflow, and generally it will. If you use stylish, and rule like this
> should enforce it for sites that used pixel/em widths on the table (instead
> of letting it resize):
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> td, th {
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>    max-width: 100% !important;
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> }
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> Cheers,
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> -Alastair
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> *From: *Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 22:51
> *To: *LVTF - low-vision-a11y <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Reflow: Two details
> *Resent-From: *LVTF - low-vision-a11y <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Thursday, 8 February 2018 at 22:50
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> "Except for parts of the content which require two-dimensional layout for
> usage or meaning."
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> 1. Here is my question: If a piece of data requires a two dimensional
> layout for usage or meaning how is a person who requires 400% enlargement
> going to use or understand that data? That is we acknowledge that a piece
> if IT cannot be used and/or understood without a two dimensional visual
> gestalt. How is a person who cannot perceive that gestalt in one piece
> going to use or understand it?
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> It seems to me that we have identified a situation that requires some kind
> of alternative presentation unless we are just saying people who need 400%
> enlargement can't use this stuff.
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> 2. I think that all text within the cells of data tables should reflow.
> The table may be wider than the viewport, but the columns should word wrap.
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> Wayne
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