- From: Jason Grieves <Jason.Grieves@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:59:05 +0000
- To: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, Jared Smith <jared@webaim.org>
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Apologies I could not attend, I am trying to free up my commitments to attend regularly. I agree with the comments below on the survey and had a few additional thoughts. Re: Magnification level The ranges are 100% up to 4x, but aren’t there a lot of users between 4x and 10x? It seems this should be a bit more granular. Re: text size Could we request they ask only questions that makes sense if they answer it as they frequently use. If not, I agree there should be a question For web pages, approximately what text size do you commonly use? Thoughts on one additional high contrast mode ? Which high contrast mode do you use? -I don’t use a high contrast mode -A dark contrast theme -A low contrast theme -Other (please describe) From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:33 AM To: public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>; Jared Smith <jared@webaim.org> Subject: Minutes: Low Vision Task Force 16 Aug 2018 telecon https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-lvtf-minutes.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F08%2F16-lvtf-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082370621&sdata=u8qeDeOS0OvGHBn511aXuZNULQvQ9f9s3Z0s9rq9Q5s%3D&reserved=0> Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 16 Aug 2018 Attendees Present Jim, Laura, Shawn, SteveRepsher, jon_avila, wayneD Regrets Chair Jim Scribe jim Contents * Topics<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F08%2F16-lvtf-minutes.html%23agenda&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082380625&sdata=vuWREzXmCj6%2F6DqhC09D0DmlX5HIdTXdAksL9Vsb3rA%3D&reserved=0> * WebAIM Low Vision Survey #2 Draft Review<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F08%2F16-lvtf-minutes.html%23item01&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082390638&sdata=aPiD4Za3XRm5Zu8Jkf7dFimWtDFJ%2FeEO6IVZu38Lccw%3D&reserved=0> * primary 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Resolutions<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F08%2F16-lvtf-minutes.html%23ResolutionSummary&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082480714&sdata=2pxZJjpxBw1sItz4e12IpKM0uiTHdKddEuPr6ZEgKak%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ <jon_avila> A link I found that says "expand your window to view this experience" https://www.cnn.com/ampstories/entertainment/the-aretha-franklin-you-probably-didnt-know<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fampstories%2Fentertainment%2Fthe-aretha-franklin-you-probably-didnt-know&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082490722&sdata=3lZwh%2BvbCZHLldoJcjtGg2D1DljFHrNh2m24SZMeXlY%3D&reserved=0> <shawn> [ reviewing https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebaim.org%2Fprojects%2Flowvisionsurvey%2Fsurvey2&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082500731&sdata=OJnWarE7ImWYCN4s4PK9JaZvZn%2F2KF6m%2FuI5oJF8%2BVg%3D&reserved=0>... font size in drop-downs ... ] <shawn> https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebaim.org%2Fprojects%2Flowvisionsurvey%2Fsurvey2&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082500731&sdata=OJnWarE7ImWYCN4s4PK9JaZvZn%2F2KF6m%2FuI5oJF8%2BVg%3D&reserved=0> zakim: open item 1 WebAIM Low Vision Survey #2 Draft Review <scribe> scribe: jim WebAim looking for input, hope to launch at end of august jon: likes questions on font size, heading, and keyboard ... would like more questions wd: enlargement - with or without word wrapping * text size of dropdown boxex is smaller than other text <shawn> slh: font size in fields smaller * questions seem to run together. no real differentiation between questions. perhaps add numbers or headings <shawn> * minor - more space between questions (esp before "Which of the following types of visual impairment do you have?") <shawn> * "Contrast/light sensitivity" -> <shawn> * "Contrast/light sensitivity" -> "Contrast sensitivity" <shawn> ... maybe add "(difficulty reading low contrast)" * question 5 Contrast/light sensitivity - change to "Contrast sensitivity (difficulty seeing low contrast)" * q5 other should have blank for other input * appreciate short survey. wonder about removing some quesitons - e.g internet proficiency. wd: correlate custom style sheet question with internet proficiency. <steverep> Can someone paste a link to this survey? laura: why have age? is it important? https://webaim.org/projects/lowvisionsurvey/survey2<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwebaim.org%2Fprojects%2Flowvisionsurvey%2Fsurvey2&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082510739&sdata=TsfM827EOIPd99gCnXunBBG%2FxwUO99q5ar9k7ONn8rM%3D&reserved=0> laura: what are they going to do with the information on age? wd: seen breakdown on age related vision from 50 to 90%% jon: may correlate age with other questions. ... thought you had to be over 18 to take survey primary device jon: TV <steverep> Shouldn't "internet" be "world wide web" ;) * mobile and tablet should be separate discussion of laptop with external monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. would answer desktop. <shawn> Shawn: Technically use laptop, but use external keyboard, external monitor, etc. jon: external large monitor connected to laptop. <shawn> ... but what's important for this survey? size of screen? * perhaps question should be preferred or common monitor size <shawn> a = desktop monitor, laptop, tablet, phone do people know what size monitor they use what size to you use to navigate the web. - laptop size screen or desktop size screen AT that is used * custom style - should have a seperate item for text spacing. although that question is asked later. slh: separate question on custom styles = how granular to get answers <laura> Custom styles to change spacing, font face/type face, color, or elements <shawn> SLH: want separate item for custom style. do we care about what they change with the styles? (Would be nice, but maybe or maybe not worth it :-) <shawn> SLH: Why have "Do you use custom styles or settings to change the default text spacing, such as letter/word spacing, line height, or paragraph spacing?" as a separate question further down? Probably better with the "Which of the following do you frequently use?" question sr: remove software from screen magnifier <steverep> Use "Screen magnifier (excluding browser zoom)" jon: could be hand held, or OS magnifier, sr: separate screen magnifier (not browser zoom) from browser zoom wd: always surprise at level of knowledge or lack of knowledge of browsers and modifications to behavior sr: magnifying glass vs software primary screen reader jim: should they include Fusion, Talkback - too many android screen readers jon: other needs a blank for more info ... have different screen readers for different platforms. Perhaps a list = check all that apply keyboard <shawn> consider putting next to each other "How often do you use the keyboard for web page navigation?" and "Do you use software or browser extensions that allow navigation by headings?" as they are related jim: dropdowns hard cognitively mobile platform jim: Nokia?? are they still out there wd: jitterbug ... for age related Accessibility settings jim: good question jon: is large text an accessibility setting. ... accessibility settings - (including large text) many people don't consider large text an accessibility setting voice assistant jon: not accessibility setting - adjust contrast - lower or increase brightness. wd: changing brightness by time of day jon: lots of disabled folk use these. slh: why asking this quesiton? jon: think its a useful question sr: wonder if getting at general use or as a replacement for typing or app usage. Functional use vs playing music magnification level wd: important to ask correctly. jon: depends on device. each platform are different, change resolution (800x600), change font size, etc. ... would answer 200% slh: have system settings (resolution, dpi, etc) then browser zoom, combination is larger that just browser zoom <shawn> slh: also have system settings *and* browser magnification -- but less than 200%. seems you have to ask about system settings first laura: may make the question too complicated. most don't know this stuff <shawn> SLH: realize mostpeople won't know. However, if just ask browser zoom, then you're not getting accurate data question: do you adjust system settings to meet your needs... yes/no/i don't know <shawn> SLH: "I don't know" is good info to know! <shawn> SLH: answers: 1. I don't know, 2. I don't change any settings, 3... laura - no response and I don't know are different things... should be separate. custom styles nav by headings wd: interesting question. I turn on silent screen reader ... add "I didn't know they existed" <jon_avila> Thanks all. I have to drop off. wd: dealing with people who don't know you can do so many things. accessibility feelings wd: responsive design is making things look better laura: reorder questions. put most important ones first. wd: people used to demographics first. use headings to separate info. social media slh: why? wayne: its a pain. avoid it, too hard to use with low vision. too many columns, can't enlarge ... not sure if its accessibility or I avoid reading custom styles <shawn> Which of the following do you frequently use? (Select all that apply) <shawn> [_] Screen reader <shawn> [_] Screen magnifier software <shawn> [_] Browser page zoom (zooms all page content) <shawn> [_] Browser text size settings <shawn> [_] High contrast mode or settings <shawn> [_] Browser settings to change colors <shawn> [_] Custom styles (for example with Stylish, Stylus, and user style sheets) <shawn> [_] Other: ______ <shawn> If you use custom styles (for example with Stylish, Stylus, and user style sheets), what do you change: <shawn> [_] Font size <shawn> [_] Font family <shawn> [_] Font weight <shawn> [_] Background and/or text color <shawn> [_] Line height <shawn> [_] Letter or word spacing <shawn> [_] Spacing around paragraphs, headings, etc. <shawn> [_] Element-level customization (for example, different styles for different heading levels) [_] Other: [______________________________] <shawn> What type of font do you usually use for paragraphs (or large blocks of text).? <shawn> [_] Serif (e.g., Times New Roman, Georgia, Bookman) <shawn> [_] Sans-serif (e.g., Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Tahoma) <shawn> [ fyi, background for this question: https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/text-customization/r14<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FRD%2F2012%2Ftext-customization%2Fr14&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082520747&sdata=TIl1ZH%2BOEa2Ge5PnpHjIYaaLY4e1Kha%2F81YWLg0fNuU%3D&reserved=0>] wayne: separate question do you know about custom styles Thank You JARED!! and webAIM!!! <shawn> before "[_] Font size" *maybe* put "[_] I don't know how to use custom stlyes" and possibly "[_] I know how to use custom stlyes, but don't use them" <shawn> [ Shawn would welcome the opportunity to review revised draft ] <shawn> [ Shawn will check back through LVTF User Needs and TAdER survey to see if other suggestions ] wd: there is a sweet spot between font size, family, letter spacing, word spacing. try to stay within 1.2 times font size ... find the balance. the paramaters interact, <shawn> Under "Which of the following types of visual impairment do you have?" Do you want to add "Field of vision limitations (peripheral field loss, central field loss, or other)"? It is one of the categories that we describe in https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#visfie<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Flow-vision-needs%2F%23visfie&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082520747&sdata=KsoOGn1b7%2F70LMRTODxd2v0%2FbKdw1k%2BG9D0ABUSQ9hg%3D&reserved=0> -- however maybe less relevant for this survey? <shawn> Undr "Which of the following do you frequently use?" Do you want to add "[_] Screen brightness - lower" and "[_] Screen brightness - higher". It's one of the user needs in https://www.w3.org/TR/low-vision-needs/#brightness-overall<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Flow-vision-needs%2F%23brightness-overall&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082530756&sdata=OD7JhHaP14Yg9Um5ySeF53YSFAY6GVKguZInyXg0fa0%3D&reserved=0> -- however, maybe less relevant for this survey? <shawn> [ Shawn will start e-mail thread about printing to be archived here https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2018Aug/thread.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fpublic-low-vision-a11y-tf%2F2018Aug%2Fthread.html&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082540764&sdata=i1AaNP7a6fKnDhu2vd6ZdYcQXkSBwNguO3Em%2BdnXDm8%3D&reserved=0>] <shawn> fyi, here are the things I asked in my survey a while ago: http://tader.info/survey1304.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftader.info%2Fsurvey1304.html&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082540764&sdata=OpFGUUSmT6wDDFXvz4zzvZB%2Bbc08lUvvFKumemMdCr8%3D&reserved=0> <shawn> One of the questions that I found useful for helping show web designers and developers the importance of text customization is: <shawn> " <shawn> Question: Do you quit reading information from the computer (such as an article on the web or instructions in PDF) and not finish it, just because the text is too hard to read comfortably? <shawn> Answer choices: <shawn> Half of the respondents got: Never, Rarely - a few times a year, Occasionally - a few times a month, Sometimes - a few times a week, Often every day <shawn> Half of the respondents got: Often every day, Sometimes - a few times a week, Occasionally - a few times a month, Rarely - a few times a year, Never <shawn> " <shawn> Not sure if this type of question would fit in this survey. If so, I think the data would be very helpful. Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] -- Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9452 http://www.tsbvi.edu/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tsbvi.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Grieves%40microsoft.com%7Cb4483eba6ce3462b352d08d6039e5faa%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636700376082550773&sdata=jZl3BE7OKvnd%2BkV0recymzU5LSGmuKbuD5r65Jv%2FflI%3D&reserved=0> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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