Re: Addition to Reflow Understanding

Laura, I like it. Let's see what Wayne thinks...

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 4:07 PM Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Wayne,
>
> Like Alastair, I don't understand the comparison to Braille.
>
> However, I do understand that for people with low vision, enlarged
> text with reflow is critical. Maybe that point isn't coming across in
> the Understanding doc [1].
>
> I wonder if it would help to add a bit to first paragraph (after the
> first sentence) such as:
>
> "For people with low vision, enlarged text with reflow enables
> reading. It is critical. Enlargement enables perception of characters.
> Reflow enables tracking. Tracking is following along lines of text,
> including getting from the end of one line to the beginning of the
> next line."
>
> The draft Reflow persona quote [2] for the understanding doc is:
>
> "It's nearly impossible to read text if I have to scroll to read each
> line. It's disorienting, and hard to understand what I'm reading. I
> lose my place scrolling back and forth. Incredibly frustrating! I
> usually just give up and quit reading "
>
> Thoughts? Ideas for improvement?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
>
> [1] https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/reflow/understanding/21/reflow.html
> [2]
> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Persona_Quotes_for_2.1_Understanding_Documents#Quotes
>
> On 4/27/18, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote:
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > I’m guessing you are referencing this thread on github:
> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/883#issuecomment-385044021
> >
> > Others can read the thread for wider context (I replied there); for the
> > paragraph suggested I’m not sure what you want to achieve with the
> braille
> > comparison?
> >
> > Perhaps I’m missing something, but braille is enabled via screenreaders
> (at
> > least for web content), so it isn’t a separate thing. Are you trying to
> draw
> > a parallel between screenreaders/braille and magnifiers/reflow? If so, I
> > don’t get it.
> >
> > As I keep saying: I am not objecting to the need, but there needs to be a
> > feasible solution.
> >
> > E.g. where Jonathan wrote: “sometimes there are powers that object to
> > criteria that are well documented.”
> >
> > The criteria can be documented up the wazoo (sorry, it’s Friday night and
> > I’m writing this quite late), but if there isn’t a reasonable & feasible
> > solution it doesn’t help with progress in WCAG.
> >
> > We could add something that makes the requirement beyond the SC clear,
> but
> > the reference to braille makes it less clear for me, and I’m not sure
> what
> > it is trying to say.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > -Alastair
> >
> > Previously suggested paragraph:
> >> "For people with low vision, enlarged text with reflow, serves the same
> >> function that braille serves for non-visual readers. While both groups
> >> benefit from audio reading formats, they both need a self-paced reading
> >> medium for understanding difficult content. Enlargement enables
> perception
> >> of characters. Reflow makes reading a tractable operation."
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>
>