- From: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 10:59:22 -0500
- To: public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Online: https://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html Text below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 12 Oct 2017 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-irc Attendees Present JohnRochford, alastairc, allanj, Laura, Glenda, Shawn, ScottM, (Steve_at_end) Regrets Chair Jim, Shawn Scribe JohnRochford Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]define vicusal indicators 2. [5]1.4.12 'essential' and exceptions 3. [6]1.4.12 Push for 3:1 graphics contrast https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/251 4. [7]Agenda+ icon font technique https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/297 5. [8]1.4.11 questions about zoom content (ready to close?) https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/250 6. [9]Schedule review of remaining Understanding docs: Zoom, Hover * [10]Summary of Action Items * [11]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <Allanj> Age d <scribe> scribe: JohnRochford define vicusal indicators Jim: Lots of hours spent discussing the word "essential". ... Alistar says defining "visual indicators" is a good start. <Glenda> This is the note defining visual identifier - Examples of essential visual identifiers of user interface components may include (a border, edge, or icon), current value (such as non-text visual indication of aria-valuenow on a slider) and current state (such as selection indicator, focus indicator) or other essential visual indication (which do not rely on color alone). <Glenda> essential non-text visual identifiers of user interface components Glenda: If the non-text visual identifier is removed, nobody would know what the component is. <alastairc> Perhaps start with: Visual identifiers of user interface components are indicators that it is interactive, examples include... <Glenda> just drop the word “essential” becuase to be a visual identifier…is saying it is essential. <Glenda> non-text visual identifiers of user interface components Alastair: A user interface component could have a border around a pen symbol, for example. to indicate it's a button Glenda: contrast is in the complete control of the visual-identifier creator <Allanj_> Drop in a link please Alistair: Icons do not have to be interactive. <laura> [12]https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/graphics-contrast/understandi ng/21/graphics-contrast.html [12] https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/graphics-contrast/understanding/21/graphics-contrast.html <laura> [13]https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/user-interface-component-cont rast-minimum/understanding/21/user-interface-component-contrast -minimum.html [13] https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/user-interface-component-contrast-minimum/understanding/21/user-interface-component-contrast-minimum.html <alastairc> My latest understanding doc can be previewed here: [14]https://alastairc.ac/tmp/graphics-contrast.html [14] https://alastairc.ac/tmp/graphics-contrast.html <alastairc> I've got some graphics in that version. Jim: Do we have to lay out such as on hover rather than just have a border? Glenda: Yes, it's not just a border. <laura> All Understanding docs linked from: Accepted WCAG 2.1 SC: [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC <alastairc> suggest adding a background? or is that what creates the edge? Glenda: Examples of visual indicators include a border, and an edge, and current state, such as a selection or a focus indicator. Alistair and Glenda: A background indicates an edge. Glenda: When we say "the edge", I think we should explain it in the understanding doc. ... By default, the natives are controlled by HTML, CSS, and the browser. ... Is the term "visual identifiers" strong enough? Alistair: Do we worry about an image with strong attributes on only one side? attributes, such as contrast Glenda: We handled that with a 3-pixel border on the bottom. <laura> [16]http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/textinputborder.html [16] http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/textinputborder.html <Allanj> If i create a custom radio buttio Glenda: I will add an example of good contrast only on one side, and poor contrast on the other 3 sides. Laura: What if the thick border was on the top? Glenda: Developers can do that, and it would technically pass, but it would have to go through usability with all humans . ... The SC does not require that the visual affordance exists. <laura> [17]http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonborder.h tml [17] http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonborder.html <Allanj> if i create a custom radio button... it is two graphics ckecked and unchecked... falls to alastair. The indicator that it has focus and was changed is glenda? Alistair: The contrast of the graphics would fall to me, yes. Glenda: Should we separate graphics that are image files from those created by HTML and CSS? Alistair: It's the concept, not the technology, which is good. <alastairc> [18]https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/181 [18] https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/181 1.4.12 'essential' and exceptions <shawn> AlastairC will reply that these are addressed in the Understanding Doc 1.4.12 Push for 3:1 graphics contrast [19]https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/251 [19] https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/251 <Allanj> We need to present the expert statements again from emails. Alistairc: Jared Smith says the research is old about the displays that we use. Alaistairc: Perhaps we put them in a Wiki? Alaistair: I think the graphics and explanations in the understanding will "go a long way". <Allanj> Will put on wiki . From gordon legge and agustus at smith kettlewell I apologize, Alastairc, for my misspellings of your name. <shawn> ACTION: Jim put expert statements related to contrast on wiki page for reference -- From gordon legge and agustus at smith kettlewell [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action01] [20] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Put expert statements related to contrast on wiki page for reference -- from gordon legge and agustus at smith kettlewell [on Jim Allan - due 2017-10-19]. <shawn> Alastair will comment on issue and point to wiki page <Allanj> Icon font from steve Agenda+ icon font technique [21]https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/297 [21] https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/297 <Allanj> What can lvtf do to help <Allanj> Def of icon font as non text <alastairc> [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Providing_a_Semantically_Ide ntified_Icon_Font_with_role%3Dimg [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Providing_a_Semantically_Identified_Icon_Font_with_role=img Alastairc: As long as you have something to put role=image on, we should be good. <shawn> work item is to get Laura's examples into Techniques Laura & Alastairc: Speculating about techniques - after TPAC? <shawn> and create links from Understanding to Techniques <Allanj> /me end meeting? <Allanj> Is issue 250 ready to close <laura> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC Alastairc: I encourage everyone to read the understanding doc, which is recently updated. the graphics-contrast understanding doc 1.4.11 questions about zoom content (ready to close?) [24]https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/250 [24] https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/250 Schedule review of remaining Understanding docs: Zoom, Hover <Allanj> Jim will ping steve about hover understanding. Zoom still needs work <Allanj> Me <Allanj> Need help. Will talk with ac <Allanj> Apologies for poor cont <Allanj> Bye <laura> Bye <shawn> Congrats for handling the massive amount of exchanges on these issues! Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jim put expert statements related to contrast on wiki page for reference -- From gordon legge and agustus at smith kettlewell [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action01] [25] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html#action01 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [26]scribe.perl version 1.152 ([27]CVS log) $Date: 2017/10/12 15:56:39 $ __________________________________________________________ [26] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [27] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.152 of Date: 2017/02/06 11:04:15 Check for newer version at [28]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [28] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: Irssi_ISO8601_Log_Text_Format (score 1.00) Present: JohnRochford alastairc allanj Laura Glenda Shawn ScottM (Steve_ at_end) Found Scribe: JohnRochford Inferring ScribeNick: JohnRochford Found Date: 12 Oct 2017 Guessing minutes URL: [29]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html People with action items: expert jim put related statements [29] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/12-lvtf-minutes.html [End of [30]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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