Re: Icon fonts - semantic elements

Thank you Katie!

I added 4.1.2 to the Applicability Section:

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Semantically_Identifying_Icon_Font_with_role%3Dimg#Applicability

Kindest regards,
Laura

On 5/18/17, Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, you can (and should) associate a technique to more than one SC when
> applicable.
>
> Katie Haritos-Shea
> 703-371-5545
>
> On May 18, 2017 2:44 PM, "Laura Carlson" <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> Thank you very much  for filing this bug!
>>
>> Kindest Regards,
>> Laura
>>
>> On 5/17/17, Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:
>> > The definition of "non-text content" from WCAG 2.0 might be more
>> > relevant
>> > here because it includes a note that mentions emoticons and ASCII art.
>> If
>> > those are not text, then I don't see how anyone would consider an icon
>> font
>> > as text.  Perhaps this needs to be explicitly stated in the note for
>> 2.1.  I
>> > just opened a GitHub issue for this addition:
>> >
>> > https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/296
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Alastair Campbell [mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:25 AM
>> > To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
>> > Cc: public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
>> > Subject: Re: Icon fonts - semantic elements
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was going to say “image”, and I think the definition of text confirms
>> > that: It is not (necessarily) a sequence, and it is not in a human
>> > language.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alternative text (1.1.1) doesn’t help the LV scenario, it is
>> “Information…
>> > conveyed through presentation” that needs to be programmatically
>> > determined.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It is annoying that:
>> >
>> > - 1.3.1 excepts things which “are available in text” which some
>> > implementation do have (just not visible text).
>> >
>> > - 4.1.2 applies to “user interface components”, and some examples are
>> > not
>> > interactive, they are informational.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Has there been a ruling previously on whether “available in text” needs
>> to
>> > be visible?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Alastair
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 17/05/2017, 16:08, "Jonathan Avila"
>> > <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     The definition of Text from WCAG 2 is likely relevant.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     sequence of characters that can be programmatically determined,
>> > where
>> > the sequence is expressing something in human language
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> >     From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com]
>> >
>> >     Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 11:01 AM
>> >
>> >     To: Repsher, Stephen J; Jonathan Avila; Alastair Campbell
>> >
>> >     Cc: public-low-vision-a11y-tf
>> >
>> >     Subject: Re: Icon fonts - semantic elements
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Hi Stephen, Jonathan, Alastair, and all,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On 5/17/17, Repsher, Stephen J
>> > <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com<mailto:stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     >> In my opinion, SC 1.3.1 is already met by providing aria-label
>> > or
>> > CSS
>> >
>> >     >> off-screen text that is near/as subtree of the icon/icon link
>> > and
>> >
>> >     >> conveys the same meaning.
>> >
>> >     >
>> >
>> >     > [Steve] Yes but that's 1.1.1 and not 1.3.1, right?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Fundamental question to all:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Do we consider icon fonts to be text or non-text content? The
>> > answer
>> to
>> > that may help us sort it out.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     The icon fonts definitions that I have found are at:
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Icon_Font_with_an_On-
>> Screen_Text_Alternative#Definitions
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Kindest Regards,
>> >
>> >     Laura
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     --
>> >
>> >     Laura L. Carlson
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura L. Carlson
>>
>>
>


-- 
Laura L. Carlson

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