Re: Popup SC need comments

I can go either way. To me, obscure means to cover up, which would make the
part covered invisible.
I thinks its ready to send to AG and let them beat on it...then the
smithing will begin in earnest.

Any other thoughts?
Discuss tomorrow and send to AG for survey for discussion on Tuesday.

Jim

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Repsher, Stephen J <
stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jim that visible is already used several times in WCAG 2.0,
> so giving a definition here would complicate the whole document.
>
>
>
> Using obscure is okay, but is it needed if only used once?  Does it raise
> more questions than it answers (e.g. what if part of the trigger is not in
> the screen space, or what is meant by perceive)?  I’m just playing devil’s
> advocate.  Unless we’re talking about popups with non-zero opacity,
> invisible is probably fine if visible is fine.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Allan [mailto:jimallan@tsbvi.edu]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:48 PM
> *To:* Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>;
> public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Popup SC need comments
>
>
>
> ​
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@
> gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim, Stephen, and all,
>
> With this rendition do we need definitions for "visible" and "invisible"?
>
> At one point we used the word "obscure". UAAG's definition is:
>
> "To render a visual element in the same screen space as a second
> visual element in a way that prevents the second visual element from
> being visually perceived."
> https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#def-obscure
>
>
>
> I like obscure. After fiddling/editing a bit, seems "obscure" works only
> for TRIGGER. Only edit Trigger bullet.  I looked in WCAG20, where 'visible'
> is used 5 times. It is never defined. Don't think we need to define it.
>
>
>
> edited version
>
> *Popup Interference:* Except where popup presentation is controlled by
> the user agent, all of the following are true when popup content is visible:
>
> ·       *Trigger*: Popup content does not obscure any part of its
> triggering content.
>
> ·       *Hover:* If a popup is triggered via pointer hover, then the
> pointer may be moved onto the popup content without loss of visibility.
>
> ·       *Focus:* Popup content remains visible while any of its
> components, including the trigger, have focus.
>
> Where we define popup as " becomes visible only on pointer hover or focus”.
>
> ORIGINAL
>
> *Popup Interference:* Except where popup presentation is controlled by
> the user agent, all of the following are true when popup content is visible:
>
> ·       *Trigger*: Popup content does not render any part of its
> triggering content invisible.
>
> ·       *Hover:* If a popup is triggered via pointer hover, then the
> pointer may be moved onto the popup content without loss of visibility.
>
> ·       *Focus:* Popup content remains visible while any of its
> components, including the trigger, have focus.
>
> Where we define popup as " becomes visible only on pointer hover or focus”.
>
>
>
> ​​
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Laura Carlson <
> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim, Stephen, and all,
>
> With this rendition do we need definitions for "visible" and "invisible"?
>
> At one point we used the word "obscure". UAAG's definition is:
>
> "To render a visual element in the same screen space as a second
> visual element in a way that prevents the second visual element from
> being visually perceived."
> https://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#def-obscure
>
> It would be nice to get the readability level down a bit more but we
> could work on that later.
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Laura
>
>
> On 7/25/17, Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> wrote:
> > All,
> > Steve, Laura, and others have been working on this SC. Below is the
> result.
> > If we could have comments soon. I would like to see if we can get this on
> > the queue for the Thursday AG meeting.
> >
> > *Popup Interference:* Except where popup presentation is controlled by
> the
> > user agent, all of the following are true when popup content is visible:
> >
> > ·       *Trigger*: Popup content does not render any part of its
> triggering
> > content invisible.
> >
> > ·       *Hover:* If a popup is triggered via pointer hover, then the
> > pointer may be moved onto the popup content without loss of visibility.
> >
> > ·       *Focus:* Popup content remains visible while any of its
> components,
>
> > including the trigger, have focus.
> >
> > Where we define popup as " becomes visible only on pointer hover or
> focus”.
> >
> > What does everyone think?  Any inaccessible gaps?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
> > Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> > 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> > voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9264  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
> > "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
> >
>
> --
> Laura L. Carlson
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
>
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
> voice 512.206.9315 <(512)%20206-9315>    fax: 512.206.9264
> <(512)%20206-9264>  http://www.tsbvi.edu/
>
> "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
>



-- 
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315    fax: 512.206.9452 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964