LVTF Meeting Minutes - 2/16/17

Meeting minutes are below and at link:
http://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-lvtf-minutes.html


Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
16 Feb 2017


See also: IRC log


Attendees
Present
      Jim, Wayne, Erich, Shawn, steverep, ScottM
Regrets
      Glenda, Laura
Chair
      jim
Scribe
      Erich
Contents
      Topics
            Open AG questionnaires
      Summary of Action Items
      Summary of Resolutions



<scribe> Scribe: Erich


<ScottM> whoohoo


Open AG questionnaires


Resize Content, Linearize and Graphics Contrast have been accepted to WCAG
2.1 so far


<allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_20170207/



<allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_review_Feb14_2017/​



Be sure to contribute your opinions to the 2 surveys currently open


SH: out clause question regards combined SC 124, we had discussed some
alternate text


<shawn> Bottom line: Authors provide content in a format that allows users
to change the font, faimly, color, and spacing - and print it that way.
(now make that in to SCs! :-)


JA: I can add a comment to the pull request to see what happens with it


WD: there will be a break point where you'll need to drop the linearize,
but within certain limits you don't have to change the sructure of the page


<allanj> current results Adapting Text survey
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/SC_review_Feb14_2017/results#xnew4



<allanj> close item 1


<allanj> Open item 2


<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75



JA: This may need to be overhauled to say write your own tool-tip that you
have control over


SH: So we're saying we want every person to write their own tool tip? (no)


<allanj> Alastair


<allanj> If we continue with that one, I suggest we narrow it to one of the
possible issues:


<allanj> 1. Access to content in title attributes (I suspect this is
generally covered by 2.1)


<allanj> 2. Title attribute obscuring other content.


<allanj> 3. Content becoming unusable with large pop-overs (like the
Perkins example).


<allanj> It occurs to me that removing title attributes is a very easy
script to do, shall we tackle that on the UA site?


<allanj> Does someone want to convert that issue into pop-overs obscuring
content?


JA: Adding Alastair's comments


<Wayne> +1


SM: Would not suggest people create their own tool-tips, cause lots of
problems. Pop-overs seem like a good method


<allanj> current SC text - Informational content that is only shown by
hovering a mouse over an element is not used as the only means of conveying
information and does not obscure other content.


JA: We have definition of informational content, but sounds like we need to
describe


<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/75



<ScottM> The browser controlled tooltips will usually get out of the way of
the mouse


JA: What is it that we want the author to do, a rule that's testable?


WD: And do-able


<allanj> do we want users to be able to turn off these pop-overs?


WD: I can take this as an action to sort it out, though perhaps not by Tues


JA: This SC is not up on survey yet, so we have time to work on it


<allanj> ACTION: Wayne to refocus #75 to pop-overs [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Refocus #75 to pop-overs [on Wayne Dick -
due 2017-02-23].


<allanj> close item 2


<steverep> No thoughts on how to fix obscuring stuff, but I wish there was
never actionable content within a hover element


<allanj> open item 3


+1


<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/76



<allanj> Erich manager


<allanj> Erich: when I print document, like the regular print and the none
inverted colors. Use CCTV. I print to give to other people. they don't need
what I need.


<allanj> ... Comment - wcag is electronic not physical.


<allanj> shawn: need content offline, so print for personal needs


<allanj> examples:
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Printing_Customized_Text#Examples



<allanj> Author provides content in a format that allows print
customization


<allanj> current SC text: A mechanism is available to allow users to print
page content with the presentation changes made by the user.


<steverep> This would be very useful for creating large print handouts when
necessary as well


<allanj> shawn: access to information. people need to print for use off
line. Authors should provide content in a format that can be printed based
on user needs


<allanj> Content is in a format that allows print customization.


<allanj> Content is provided in a format that allows print customization.


<allanj> there are issues with presentation modifications being printed
directly. Currently, must go to printing layer


+1


<shawn> Content is provided in a format that allows print customization of
#124.


<allanj> customize what?


<allanj> steve: text only?


SH: Well, there's ideal and then there's minimum
... The issue is what is the acceptable minimum


<shawn> UAAG 2.0 "the user can have content printed as it is rendered on
screen,"


SH: (from uaag) users can have content printed as it is rendered on screen


<shawn> is under "1.4.4 Configured and Reflowed Text Printing: The user can
print the rendered content, and the following are all true: (Level AA)"


<allanj> shawn: start with 124, ideally - spacing, font, hyphenation,
margins, etc.


<allanj> perhaps user queries
https://decadecity.net/blog/2015/06/28/user-queries and for printing


<allanj> shawn: printing with changes from 124 and reflow. perhaps
linearization


<allanj> close item 3


<ScottM> +q


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Wayne to refocus #75 to pop-overs [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2017/02/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]

Summary of Resolutions
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