- From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:51:17 -0500
- To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
- Cc: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Hi Jon, I added "without scrolling in more than one direction" because Wayne had it in his first draft, which I suspect is based on Richard Ishida advice to Shawn: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2016Sep/0010.html Is that right, Wayne? Kindest regards, Laura On 9/6/16, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote: >> Except for captions and images of text, text can be resized without >> assistive technology to a user agent's maximum and minimum without >> scrolling in more than one direction and without loss of content or >> functionality. > > Sounds good. I have two questions. Are we concerned that if we state the > user should only be required to scroll in one direction someone might come > up with something for LTR that scrolls horizontally but not vertically. > Would we be ok with that? Also is the term direction problematic, that is > one might think you can scroll down but not up? > > Jonathan > > Jonathan Avila > Chief Accessibility Officer > SSB BART Group > jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com > 703.637.8957 (Office) > Visit us online: Website | Twitter | Facebook | Linkedin | Blog > Check out our Digital Accessibility Webinars! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laura Carlson [mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 3:35 PM > To: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force; Wayne Dick; Jonathan Avila > Subject: Re: lvtf-ACTION-70: Write font sc > > Hi Wayne, Jon, and all, > > Would it help to reuse some of the verbiage from the current 1.4.4 Resize > text? [1]. That reads, "Except for captions and images of text, text can be > resized without assistive technology up to 200 percent without loss of > content or functionality." > > Does the following description say what we mean? > > == Description == > > Except for captions and images of text, text can be resized without > assistive technology to a user agent's maximum and minimum without scrolling > in more than one direction and without loss of content or functionality. > > Then perhaps we could adapt the Testability section that I put together for > the Size of all elements SC [2] and change the word "Zoom" to "text"? Would > it be worth considering something such as the following? > > == Testability == > > 1. Display content in a user agent. > 2. Increase text size to the maximum. > 3. Decrease text size to the minimum. > 4 Check whether text scales and is perceivable without scrolling in more > than one direction. (e.g. boxes do not overlap, controls are not obscured or > separated from their labels, etc.). > > Expected Results: > > Check #4 is true. > > What do you think? > > Kindest Regards, > Laura > > [1] > https://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#visual-audio-contrast-scale > [2] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Size_of_all_elements > > > On 9/6/16, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> wrote: >> Ø 4. Hidden indents. I don't even know what code causes them, but >> wiki pages have them. >> >> From what I can tell on wiki – it’s list styles override anything you >> create in a page even with HTML and CSS – so they must be using >> !important. >> Perhaps in the indention issue they are using lists for indention >> where they should not be? >> >> >> Ø 6. Absolute placement of headings >> Yes, absolute and fixed position of content is very problematic for zoom. >> Also problematic are snap to scroll pages that scroll by page and chop >> off content with overflow preventing users with from seeing the whole >> screen’s content. When the user tries to scroll they end up on the next >> page. >> Also in these situations are zoom hijacking – that is page zoom with >> the mouse doesn’t work as it is taken over to do something else. >> Jonathan >> >> Jonathan Avila >> Chief Accessibility Officer >> SSB BART Group >> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> >> 703.637.8957 (Office) >> Visit us online: Website<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/> | >> Twitter<https://twitter.com/SSBBARTGroup> | >> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ssbbartgroup> | >> Linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/355266?trk=tyah> | >> Blog<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/> >> Check out our Digital Accessibility >> Webinars!<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/webinars/> >> >> From: Wayne Dick [mailto:wayneedick@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:21 PM >> To: Jonathan Avila >> Cc: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force >> Subject: Re: lvtf-ACTION-70: Write font sc >> >> I am not sure how to change "the document enables". The issue is this. >> I do not want to imply that the author needs to build in AT, but what >> I would like to say is "the author shall introduce no barriers to ...". >> I have written a compiler that maps user's non-numerical visual >> preferences into actual numerical and string parameters that can be >> used for changing the visual presentation proposed by the font, text >> and color transformations. The problem is barriers to block level >> linearization. Some pages just go blank if you try to modify >> positioning. Here are a few barriers. >> 1. In line style with !important parameters. >> 2. JavaScript that prevents vertical scrolling. >> 3. Run-time positioning. >> 4. Hidden indents. I don't even know what code causes them, but wiki >> pages have them. >> 5. em based margins and padding. >> 6. Absolute placement of headings >> That's all I can think of for now. Without obstacles like this you can >> linearize a page and achieve every visual style change we need. We can >> make narrow normal print columns. Color is no object. We can make >> "uge" print as Bernie Sanders would say. Word wrapping would be no >> problem. >> Thanks for the comments Jon. >> Wayne >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Jonathan Avila >> <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote: >> Wayne, thank you for putting this together. The phrase “The document >> enables the user to change …” seems to imply that we are going to >> require >> on page controls for adjusting fonts. Should we use a term like the >> document does not override the user’s ability to …. I’m not sure what >> the >> best term is – but perhaps a phrase like that or “the document does >> not prevent”, might be good. >> >> Jonathan >> >> Jonathan Avila >> Chief Accessibility Officer >> SSB BART Group >> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com<mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> >> 703.637.8957<tel:703.637.8957> (Office) Visit us online: >> Website<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/> | >> Twitter<https://twitter.com/SSBBARTGroup> | >> Facebook<https://www.facebook.com/ssbbartgroup> | >> Linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/355266?trk=tyah> | >> Blog<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/> >> Check out our Digital Accessibility >> Webinars!<http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/webinars/> >> >> From: Wayne Dick >> [mailto:wayneedick@gmail.com<mailto:wayneedick@gmail.com>] >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 3:04 PM >> To: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force >> Subject: Re: lvtf-ACTION-70: Write font sc >> >> >> Font Resize: The document enables the user to change font-size down to >> and up to the limits provided by the user agent. The resulting font >> change will fit in any enclosing boxes and will not result in need to >> scroll is more than one direction. >> >> Font Family: The document enables the user to change the font family >> to any family generally available to document authors. >> >> Text Style: The document enables the user to change the style of text >> (italic, bold, normal, etc.) to any other style or to any other font >> family and style that is available to the user agent. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2016-08-25 8:17 GMT-07:00 Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Issue >> Tracker >> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org<mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>>: >> lvtf-ACTION-70: Write font sc >> >> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/actions/70 >> >> Assigned to: Wayne Dick > > -- > Laura L. Carlson > -- Laura L. Carlson
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