- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:42:26 -0600
- To: Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
- Cc: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+=z1WnzjC8Kfxe8Yiiq2ApRNyiJuXr3o-DL-QEcdFvyZvbgCQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com> wrote: > Alastair, > > I think you and I are thinking the same way. The reason I'm not > comfortable just saying "adjacent elements" is...I think it will be > problematic to objectively measure. Let's imagine a trashcan icon that is > being used as an interactive element. Here is a simple example from my > gmail account: [image: Inline image 1] > In this case, the primary color of the trashcan is dark grey (#6E6E6E) and > the primary color of the background is light grey (#F4F4F4). Ignoring the > anti-aliasing bits around the end of the trashcan...I grab a pixel of the > dark grey to compare against a pixel of the light grey....and smile, > because it is 4.6 to 1. > > BUT...what if the trashcan was rainbow striped diagonally, the lid was > light purple, the background color was the same light grey (#F4F4F4) as > the previous example. > > [image: Inline image 4] > > For testing purposes...let's just focus on the lid...you would look at the > light purple lid, in your mind, draw a "need to test the background color" > 3px perimeter around the edge of the lid. Your brain then says...oh, that > is just one color in that 3px perimeter around the edge of the lid...so now > I'll compare the light purple: #CBCBFE to the light grey #F4F4F4...see it > is only 1.4 to 1, and say, that lid fails. > agree, lid fails > > But if I had to do this with the trash can body...I would have to compare > each stripe of the trashcan against the 3 px surrounding area just outside > the edge of that color of the trashcan. > > So...there is NO requirement for borders on anything. BUT...for testing > purposes...we are going to look at the immediate 3 pixels perimeter. > This is a poor example. nothing in the body of the trashcan passes. for argument, lets say the red stripes passed but nothing else does. I think the icon fails. if the trashcan has a 4.5:1 border with background only, I think the icon passes. > > > glenda sims | team a11y lead | deque.com | 512.963.3773 > > > *web for everyone. web on everything.* - w3 goals > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I was reading through the minutes, and considering the term "immediate >> surrounding background" for both contrast SCs. >> >> I think what we're actually trying to say is: "adjacent elements", and in >> the definition of that include the background as the obvious adjacent >> element. >> >> I.e. it doesn't matter if it is a background or another part of the same >> graphic, it is what is next to it that counts. >> >> That means we aren't asking for borders specifically (which seems >> implied), there are several techniques that can apply, such as breaking up >> a slices of pie chart with gaps in between, or a border, or just having >> contrasting colours. >> >> Therefore the graphics contrast SC would start: >> "The visual presentation of important information in graphical elements >> has a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 against the adjacent elements, >> except for the following:" >> >> Perhaps in the Interactive Element Contrast SC the term background is >> more applicable because we aren't expecting them to be next to the elements >> (apart from interactive graphics?) >> >> -Alastair >> > > -- Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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