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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 11:08:57 -0600
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06 Jan 2016 See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-irc> Attendees PresentLaura, Shawn, Alan, Jim, John, Srini, Wayne, Andrew, Erich, jon_avila, AWK, Katie, Haritos-SheaRegretsChairAndrewK, JimAScribeJohn, allanj Contents - Topics <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#agenda> 1. review draft of Document Overview and Cause and Effects of Low Vision <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#item01> 2. Review of Document Overview <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#item02> 3. Review Color Perception <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#item03> 4. review light and contrast sensitivity <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#item04> - Summary of Action Items <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#ActionSummary> - Summary of Resolutions <http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-lvtf-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary> ------------------------------ <allanj> Agenda+ review draft of Light and Contrast Sensitivity <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/4 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Color_Perception <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Overview_of_Low_Vision <Alan_S> Does anyone have the webex password? <allanj> Agenda+ review draft of Light and Contrast Sensitivity <JohnRochford> Info about me = http://profiles.umassmed.edu/profiles/display/132901 <allanj> Jim+ <allanj> Wayne+ <Srinivasu> Srini+ <Srinivasu> What's the WebEx password please? <Alan_S> thanks for the password <Srinivasu> Thank you <allanj> scribe: John <JohnRochford> WebEx shortcut keys = http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/collaboration/CWMS/1_5/User_Guide_Test/User_Guide_Test_chapter_01101.html <jon_avila> what is the WebEx password? review draft of Document Overview and Cause and Effects of Low Vision <AWK> +AWK Review of Document Overview <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Overview_of_Low_Vision <JohnRochford> Shawn: Be sure to refresh document. Included general info that is currently in lower sectoins, but I think would be good to bring up higher level. <JohnRochford> Wayne: I have a WHO estimate that's relevant, but it lumps correctable and uncorrectable together. <shawn> agree with Wayne that WHO includes correctable & not correctable - and more interesting is not correctable <JohnRochford> Wayne: I have another stat for U.S. population. <JohnRochford> Wayne: U.S. population stat should be representative of most countries. <JohnRochford> Wayne: All should be considered as having low vision. <JohnRochford> Wayne: WHO says 3 million U.S. population has corrected low vision, 11 million uncorrected. <JohnRochford> Shawn: I just added a note, so please refresh doc. <laura> Research Wiki Page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Research <JohnRochford> Jim: Medicare may have a definition. I will check. <Ryladog> WHO also is a good pleace to get definitions <JohnRochford> Shawn: Low vision definition is not clear cut. Different people consider it differently. Is the info the right amount or not? <JohnRochford> AWK: It will be difficult to reach consensus on the definition. I like what you said in the last sentence. <JohnRochford> AWK: Suggested one wording change. <JohnRochford> Wayne: I will send editorial suggestions. <JohnRochford> Shawn: I love editorial suggestions. <JohnRochford> Shawn: Just changed doc as AWK suggested. <allanj> close item 2 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Color_Perception <allanj> Open Item 1 Review Color Perception <AWK> in the color section, do we have rights to the images? <JohnRochford> John: I offer to copy edit for Shawn and Laura's docs. <JohnRochford> Shawn: We need to post an acknowledgement of the images. <JohnRochford> AWK: Permission to use the images should be verified and documented. <JohnRochford> Shawn: Agrees with AWK. <JohnRochford> Laura: I could create my own images. <JohnRochford> Shawn: If you made one, perhaps it could take up less space? <JohnRochford> Shawn: Perhaps they could all be on the same line or stacked. <JohnRochford> Laura: Okay. <JohnRochford> Jim: Would be useful to have some numbers of color-perception prevalence. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Those numbers should be easier to find than others. <JohnRochford> Jim: Do we want to tease out gender differences or use a general number? <JohnRochford> Shawn: We may want to include both. <JohnRochford> Jon: Just because you have a color perception problem means you have low vision. <JohnRochford> Correction: does not mean <allanj> http://www.colour-blindness.com/general/prevalence/ <JohnRochford> Wayne: Perhaps we could say "Loss of color perception alone does not mean low vision." <JohnRochford> Jon: Certain colors can be difficult to perceive by people with low vision. <JohnRochford> AWK: If you have a color-perception deficit, does that mean a brain interpretation issue, or a physical issue such as low light. <Srinivasu> +1 few colors doesn't go well. due to gradiant of colors <JohnRochford> ? <JohnRochford> Shawn: Maybe we should talk about broad considerations rather than have specific definitions. <allanj> https://nei.nih.gov/health/color_blindness/facts_about - Color blindness can make it difficult to read color-coded information such as bar graphs and pie charts. <JohnRochford> AWK: Maybe we should let it ride for a bit and see how it progresses. <JohnRochford> Shawn: It would be the section in the overview to be quite short. <JohnRochford> Correction: It may be <JohnRochford> Wayne: It's important to talk about a difference in brightness rather than a difference in color perception. <JohnRochford> Jon: Luminosity is important: brightness rather than color. <JohnRochford> Wayne (Answering question from Jim): Yes, I too am talking about luminosity. <JohnRochford> Jim: Welcome Katie. <JohnRochford> Jim: Any other closing thoughts? <allanj> luminosity/brightness <JohnRochford> Wayne: One other thing: You can't get legibility results in background color. It's a readability thing, not a legibility thing. <JohnRochford> Alan: I have a question about inverse contrast. Any thoughts on describing that? <JohnRochford> Jon: Inverse contrast has issues such as the contrast may not be improved with an inverse, and images may even look worse. <shawn> JohnR?: inverse with black background reduces overall luminosity & glare ... [lots of problems with it] ... platform level so easy <JohnRochford> Alan: Glare is also a consideration. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Those aspects, especially the glare issue, was researched pretty well in the '90s. <JohnRochford> Alan: Polarity may be the issue rather than glare. <allanj> open next item <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Light_and_Contrast_Sensitivity <JohnRochford> Srini, I apologize I could not document your comments. It was briefly very noisy in my office. review light and contrast sensitivity <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision#Light_and_Contrast_Sensitivity <JohnRochford> AWK: The Wiki version should be considered our current version. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Shawn's idea that some content should be moved to other places is a good one. I may have to add a case study. <shawn> [ /me closes GitHub issue with pointer to wiki ] <JohnRochford> John: Pause as people read document. <JohnRochford> AWK: Is your talk about contrast ratio related to brightness, discomfort, and readability? If so, perhaps we should bring it up again in that section. <JohnRochford> Note: That question was directed to Wayne. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Yes, that would be very good. <Srinivasu> No problem John. Here are my comments. These days often designers tend to use transparent colors / images as background and in addition to that, they use a bit low contrast colors like gray (though passes contrast requirements) but difficult to read as user. <Srinivasu> My second comment was about underline / some styling for links. I think I agree that we need to ensure those styling / understlines do have enough contrast too. In fact, styling / underline helps users with low vision and cognitive than others. <JohnRochford> Wayne (to AWK): Yes, I can work in brightness and high contrast and/or legibility. <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say explain light & contrast sensitivity in this section; and save user requirements for other section: <JohnRochford> Shawn: We are looking at these sections in isolation and not considering the big picture. Example: We should focus on functional limitations without solutions. <JohnRochford> Shawn: Functional limitations should focus on just that: functional limitations. <JohnRochford> Shawn: Perhaps physical conditions should be accompanied by their functional limitations. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Generally, determining factor in reduced visual acuity is contrast. <JohnRochford> Wayne: Contrast and brightness are completely intertwined. <JohnRochford> Wayne: I will make clear which functional limitations are impacted by contrast and brightness. <allanj> scribe: allanj <shawn> right - light and contrast sensitivey almost opposite <JohnRochford> I mean "Jim, I have to go." <JohnRochford> Bye everyone. <shawn> light & contrast sensitivity not always assocoated with visual acuity? <laura> bye Title: Low Vision Taskforce Teleconference Summary of Action Items Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes] -- Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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