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- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 11:46:30 -0500
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Minutes at link: https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html
Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
24 Feb 2016
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
shawn, jeanne, Jim, Erich, JohnR, jon_avila
Regrets
Alan, Laura, Wayne
Chair
Jim and Andrew
Scribe
Erich
Contents
Topics
1. Long Description for images
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
<allanj> genda+ Contrast & Image accessibility
<allanj> A
<shawn> agenda order is 4,3,2,1
present
<shawn> chair: Jim
<scribe> scribe: Erich
Long Description for images
<shawn> doc: http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html
Jim, do descriptions have 'alt' on them
Jim - some of these images may have captions, but we need someone to check
them
John is willing to review them
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to ask to go through eacnow and see if we think
the fig caption and alt is sufficient or if we need more...
Shawn believes stepping through with the group is worthwhile
<AWK> +AWK
Shawn believes this may avoid the need for long description
<AWK> Shawn, if we get this out before March 1 do we avoid the need to
reformat the document for the new rules, or does the rest take care of that
for us?
Erich thanks Shawn
<jon_avila> can someone post the url again
<AWK> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html
<jeanne>
http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-central-field-loss
<jeanne> +1 to Fig1 is sufficient.
<shawn> +1 for these alt and captions being sufficient - not need
additional long description
+1 figure 1 is sufficient
<allanj> +1
<JohnRochford> +1 to Fig1 sufficiency
Jim: Review of figure 2
<jeanne> Fig 2 <-
http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-peripheral-field-loss
<shawn> +1 for Fri 1 and Fig 2 and Fig 3 :-)
<jeanne> +1 to simulation
AWK: questioning whether these 3 figures are simulated views more than
screen captures
<allanj> +1 to "simulated view ..."
<JohnRochford> +1 to change "screen capture" to "simulated view"
+1 simulated view
<shawn> [ me thinks we might want to tweak the actual alt text and caption
text later. for now I'm just commenting on the need for long descriptions
or not -- and not being too picky about the actualy wording ;-]
Jim: Review of figure 3
John: "Other" refers to what?
<JohnRochford> +1 to Fig2 sufficiency
<JohnRochford> +1 to Fig3 sufficiency
Jim: "Other" is referring to bulleted items in list
... Review of Figure 4
<shawn> Next Set: Color Perception - Figs 4-7
Jeanne: believes this to be a long description candidate, spelling out the
colors of each one fully
<jeanne> Fig 4 long description: 12 color color wheel simulating full color
perception. Colors are red, red-orange, orange, yellow-orange, yellow,
yellow-green, green, blue-green, blue, indigo, purple, purple-red
<allanj> fig 4: color wheel of 16 colors
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say in the alt briefly how the colors are
different - not in detail, just summary
<allanj> Erich - all appear shades of gray to me, descriptions would be
useful
Jeanne: can see value in better descriptions, if not long description
Shawn: Believes we should have alt text with shorter description, even if
in addition to the long desc
<jeanne> Fig 5: 12 color wheel simulating red-green color blindness. Colors
are yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow,
yellow-green, brown, medium-blue, blue, nark-blue, med-blue, green-brown.
<allanj> primary and complementary colors
<shawn> +1 to easy way out of it ;-)
<Zakim> AWK, you wanted to say that perhaps there is a resource that we can
point to that provides a table of actual vs perceived colors for different
types of color blindness?
AWK: wonders if there is an existing resource which addresses this already
to spare us from needing to write this out
Jeanne: could add the color descriptions if needed
Shawn: goal here is to give a general idea of color blindness, rather than
to be a specific resource for design
... Can be broken down to 1. What do we need to do right now, and 2. What
do we need to do moving forward?
<allanj> +1 to move on, add note that we will be adding additional
description in future version.
Shawn: To Jeanne Is there some sort of simple correction possible in the
alt?
<JohnRochford> BRB
Jeanne: Yes, in figure 5 color wheel example, could say Red's shift toward
Green, Green's shift towards Brown, and can work on something more detailed
for Long Desc
Jim: Review of Figure 8
... Does figure 8 capture low contrast example
<jeanne> Jeanne proposes alt text: Fig 5 alt text: Color wheel simulated
view of a person with red-green color blindess, showing reds shifting to
green, and green shifting to browns.
<jeanne> Fig 6 alt text: Color wheel simulated view of a person with
blue-yellow color blindess, showing yellows shifting to pink, and blues
shifting to blue-green or browns.
+1 low contrast example
Jon: Thinks it is worthwhile to specify as user-defined
<AWK> Example of page with author-defined low contrast colors - light gray
background and gray text with headings in shades of green
<shawn> Caption: Example of page with author-defined low contrast colors
<shawn> Alt: light gray background, main text is gray, headings are shades
of light green
<AWK> Example of page with user-defined colors - black background and tan
text with headings brown, purple, and pink
<shawn> +1 alt text is important to peole with low vision !!!
Jon: Alt text is valuable to persons with low-vision
<AWK> either Shawn's way or the "full fig caption" way the info is in there
+1 alt text valuable for low-vision
<AWK> Example of page with user-defined colors - black background and white
text with headings in green, yellow, and blue
<AWK> fig nine background should say that it is dark brown instead of black
<shawn> ACTION: Shawn & all add "alt" issue to Open Issues - people with
low vision sometimes need alt text, too [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - & all add "alt" issue to open issues -
people with low vision sometimes need alt text, too [on Shawn Henry - due
2016-03-02].
Jim: Perhaps this is another example where we also include richer
descriptions
Shawn: do we feel for figures 8 - 10 that the figure captions provide
sufficient information that we need to get across, for now?\
+1 for now
<jeanne> +1 for now
<allanj> +1 for fig captions for 8-10
Jon: +1 for now
AWK: suggests erasing h1, h2, h3 that is included parenthetically, as it is
a side issue to text contrast
Jim: if AWK can do so using tool mentioned, okay
Shawn: do we not need to call out the different color text in section
concerning contrast?\
<allanj> Fig. 8 Example of author-defined low contrast with light
background and gray text and different colored headings
<allanj> Fig. 8 Example of author-defined page that is low contrast with
light background and gray text and different colored headings
Jon: use of different colors seems significant, even if we don't need to
know specifically what color
<shawn> Fig. 10 Example of user style with high contrast with black
background and white text and different color headings
Shawn: should the alt just say 'screen capture'?
<allanj> +1
Jim: thinks that would be fine
+1
<AWK> images are edited and uploaded
<AWK> (for fig 9 and 10)
Jim: Review of Figure 11
... 11, 12, 13
<jeanne> +1 to number of dots
AWK: would suggest going a bit heavy with descriptions, as things can
easily be overlooked\
<Zakim> need, you wanted to describe Fig 11 with same level, so folks have
something to compare descriptions
Jim: need to add more robust descriptions in 10, 11 and 12
Shawn: Summary and Detail could help weightiness
Jon: Bulleted list could help make more digestable on later drafts
Jim: Review of Figure 14
Shawn: is it okay to have one fig caption for the two images
Jim: Group seems ok with Figure 14
Jon: pointing out wide images included in some of the figures
trackbot, close meeting
<trackbot> Sorry, Erich, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'.
Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
trackbot, end meeting
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn & all add "alt" issue to Open Issues - people with low
vision sometimes need alt text, too [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
Summary of Resolutions
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<html><body><p><a href="https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html">Minutes at link: https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html</a><br><br><br><b><font size="7">Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference</font></b><br><b><font size="6">24 Feb 2016</font></b><p><font size="4">See also: </font><a href="http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-irc"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">IRC log</font></u></a><p><a name="attendees"></a><b><font size="6">Attendees</font></b><br><font size="4">Present</font><ul><ul><font size="4">shawn, jeanne, Jim, Erich, JohnR, jon_avila</font></ul></ul><font size="4">Regrets</font><ul><ul><font size="4">Alan, Laura, Wayne</font></ul></ul><font size="4">Chair</font><ul><ul><font size="4">Jim and Andrew</font></ul></ul><font size="4">Scribe</font><ul><ul><font size="4">Erich</font></ul></ul><b><font size="6">Contents</font></b><ul><ul type="disc"><li><a href="https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#agenda"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">Topics</font></u></a><font size="4"> </font><ul>1. <a href="https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#item01"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">Long Description for images</font></u></a></ul>
<li><a href="https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#ActionSummary"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">Summary of Action Items</font></u></a><li><a href="https://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">Summary of Resolutions</font></u></a></ul></ul><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> genda+ Contrast & Image accessibility</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> A</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> agenda order is 4,3,2,1</font><p><font size="4">present</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> chair: Jim</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">scribe</font></i><font size="4">> scribe: Erich</font><p><b><font size="5">Long Description for images</font></b><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> doc: </font><a href="http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html</font></u></a><p><font size="4">Jim, do descriptions have 'alt' on them</font><p><font size="4">Jim - some of these images may have captions, but we need someone to check them</font><p><font size="4">John is willing to review them</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">Zakim</font></i><font size="4">> shawn, you wanted to ask to go through eacnow and see if we think the fig caption and alt is sufficient or if we need more...</font><p><font size="4">Shawn believes stepping through with the group is worthwhile</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> +AWK</font><p><font size="4">Shawn believes this may avoid the need for long description</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> Shawn, if we get this out before March 1 do we avoid the need to reformat the document for the new rules, or does the rest take care of that for us?</font><p><font size="4">Erich thanks Shawn</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jon_avila</font></i><font size="4">> can someone post the url again</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> </font><a href="http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html</font></u></a><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> </font><a href="http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-central-field-loss"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-central-field-loss</font></u></a><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to Fig1 is sufficient.</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> +1 for these alt and captions being sufficient - not need additional long description</font><p><font size="4">+1 figure 1 is sufficient</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> +1</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">JohnRochford</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to Fig1 sufficiency</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Review of figure 2</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> Fig 2 <- </font><a href="http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-peripheral-field-loss"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#fig-example-of-peripheral-field-loss</font></u></a><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> +1 for Fri 1 and Fig 2 and Fig 3 :-)</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to simulation</font><p><i><font size="4">AWK:</font></i><font size="4"> questioning whether these 3 figures are simulated views more than screen captures</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to "simulated view ..."</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">JohnRochford</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to change "screen capture" to "simulated view"</font><p><font size="4">+1 simulated view</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> [ me thinks we might want to tweak the actual alt text and caption text later. for now I'm just commenting on the need for long descriptions or not -- and not being too picky about the actualy wording ;-]</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Review of figure 3</font><p><i><font size="4">John:</font></i><font size="4"> "Other" refers to what?</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">JohnRochford</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to Fig2 sufficiency</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">JohnRochford</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to Fig3 sufficiency</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> "Other" is referring to bulleted items in list<br>... Review of Figure 4</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> Next Set: Color Perception - Figs 4-7</font><p><i><font size="4">Jeanne:</font></i><font size="4"> believes this to be a long description candidate, spelling out the colors of each one fully</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> Fig 4 long description: 12 color color wheel simulating full color perception. Colors are red, red-orange, orange, yellow-orange, yellow, yellow-green, green, blue-green, blue, indigo, purple, purple-red</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> fig 4: color wheel of 16 colors</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">Zakim</font></i><font size="4">> shawn, you wanted to say in the alt briefly how the colors are different - not in detail, just summary</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> Erich - all appear shades of gray to me, descriptions would be useful</font><p><i><font size="4">Jeanne:</font></i><font size="4"> can see value in better descriptions, if not long description</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> Believes we should have alt text with shorter description, even if in addition to the long desc</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> Fig 5: 12 color wheel simulating red-green color blindness. Colors are yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow-green, yellow, yellow-green, brown, medium-blue, blue, nark-blue, med-blue, green-brown.</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> primary and complementary colors</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to easy way out of it ;-)</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">Zakim</font></i><font size="4">> AWK, you wanted to say that perhaps there is a resource that we can point to that provides a table of actual vs perceived colors for different types of color blindness?</font><p><i><font size="4">AWK:</font></i><font size="4"> wonders if there is an existing resource which addresses this already to spare us from needing to write this out</font><p><i><font size="4">Jeanne:</font></i><font size="4"> could add the color descriptions if needed</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> goal here is to give a general idea of color blindness, rather than to be a specific resource for design<br>... Can be broken down to 1. What do we need to do right now, and 2. What do we need to do moving forward?</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to move on, add note that we will be adding additional description in future version.</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> To Jeanne Is there some sort of simple correction possible in the alt?</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">JohnRochford</font></i><font size="4">> BRB</font><p><i><font size="4">Jeanne:</font></i><font size="4"> Yes, in figure 5 color wheel example, could say Red's shift toward Green, Green's shift towards Brown, and can work on something more detailed for Long Desc</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Review of Figure 8<br>... Does figure 8 capture low contrast example</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> Jeanne proposes alt text: Fig 5 alt text: Color wheel simulated view of a person with red-green color blindess, showing reds shifting to green, and green shifting to browns.</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> Fig 6 alt text: Color wheel simulated view of a person with blue-yellow color blindess, showing yellows shifting to pink, and blues shifting to blue-green or browns.</font><p><font size="4">+1 low contrast example</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> Thinks it is worthwhile to specify as user-defined</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> Example of page with author-defined low contrast colors - light gray background and gray text with headings in shades of green</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> Caption: Example of page with author-defined low contrast colors</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> Alt: light gray background, main text is gray, headings are shades of light green</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> Example of page with user-defined colors - black background and tan text with headings brown, purple, and pink</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> +1 alt text is important to peole with low vision !!!</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> Alt text is valuable to persons with low-vision</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> either Shawn's way or the "full fig caption" way the info is in there</font><p><font size="4">+1 alt text valuable for low-vision</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> Example of page with user-defined colors - black background and white text with headings in green, yellow, and blue</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> fig nine background should say that it is dark brown instead of black</font><p><a name="action01"></a><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> </font><b><font size="4">ACTION:</font></b><font size="4"> Shawn & all add "alt" issue to Open Issues - people with low vision sometimes need alt text, too [recorded in </font><a href="http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01%5D"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]</font></u></a><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">trackbot</font></i><font size="4">> Created ACTION-36 - & all add "alt" issue to open issues - people with low vision sometimes need alt text, too [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-03-02].</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Perhaps this is another example where we also include richer descriptions</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> do we feel for figures 8 - 10 that the figure captions provide sufficient information that we need to get across, for now?\</font><p><font size="4">+1 for now</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> +1 for now</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> +1 for fig captions for 8-10</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> +1 for now</font><p><i><font size="4">AWK:</font></i><font size="4"> suggests erasing h1, h2, h3 that is included parenthetically, as it is a side issue to text contrast</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> if AWK can do so using tool mentioned, okay</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> do we not need to call out the different color text in section concerning contrast?\</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> Fig. 8 Example of author-defined low contrast with light background and gray text and different colored headings</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> Fig. 8 Example of author-defined page that is low contrast with light background and gray text and different colored headings</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> use of different colors seems significant, even if we don't need to know specifically what color</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">shawn</font></i><font size="4">> Fig. 10 Example of user style with high contrast with black background and white text and different color headings</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> should the alt just say 'screen capture'?</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">allanj</font></i><font size="4">> +1</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> thinks that would be fine</font><p><font size="4">+1</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> images are edited and uploaded</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">AWK</font></i><font size="4">> (for fig 9 and 10)</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Review of Figure 11<br>... 11, 12, 13</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">jeanne</font></i><font size="4">> +1 to number of dots</font><p><i><font size="4">AWK:</font></i><font size="4"> would suggest going a bit heavy with descriptions, as things can easily be overlooked\</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">Zakim</font></i><font size="4">> need, you wanted to describe Fig 11 with same level, so folks have something to compare descriptions</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> need to add more robust descriptions in 10, 11 and 12</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> Summary and Detail could help weightiness</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> Bulleted list could help make more digestable on later drafts</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Review of Figure 14</font><p><i><font size="4">Shawn:</font></i><font size="4"> is it okay to have one fig caption for the two images</font><p><i><font size="4">Jim:</font></i><font size="4"> Group seems ok with Figure 14</font><p><i><font size="4">Jon:</font></i><font size="4"> pointing out wide images included in some of the figures</font><p><font size="4">trackbot, close meeting</font><p><font size="4"><</font><i><font size="4">trackbot</font></i><font size="4">> Sorry, Erich, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to <</font><a href="http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc</font></u></a><font size="4">> for help.</font><p><font size="4">trackbot, end meeting</font><p><a name="ActionSummary"></a><b><font size="6">Summary of Action Items</font></b><br><b><font size="4">[NEW]</font></b><font size="4"> </font><b><font size="4">ACTION:</font></b><font size="4"> Shawn & all add "alt" issue to Open Issues - people with low vision sometimes need alt text, too [recorded in </font><a href="http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01"><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://www.w3.org/2016/02/24-lvtf-minutes.html#action01</font></u></a><font size="4">]<br> </font><br><a name="ResolutionSummary"></a><b><font size="6">Summary of Resolutions</font></b><br><font size="4">[End of minutes]<br></font><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><br><i><font size="4">Minutes formatted by David Booth's </font></i><a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm"><i><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">scribe.perl</font></u></i></a><i><font size="4"> version 1.144 (</font></i><a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/"><i><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">CVS log</font></u></i></a><i><font size="4">)<br>$Date: 2016/02/24 16:42:58 $ </font></i><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left"><br><b><font size="6">Scribe.perl diagnostic output</font></b><br><font size="4">[Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.]</font><br><tt><font size="4">This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.144 of Date: 2015/11/17 08:39:34 <br>Check for newer version at </font></tt><a href="http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/%7Echeckout%7E/2002/scribe/"><tt><u><font size="4" color="#0000FF">http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/</font></u></tt></a><tt><font size="4"><br><br>Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00)<br><br>Succeeded: s/genda+ Contrast & Image accessibility//<br>Succeeded: s/Shawn: can see value in better descriptions, if not long description/Jeanne: can see value in better descriptions, if not long description/<br>Succeeded: s/goal is to be a resource for design/goal here is to give a general idea of color blindness, rather than to be a specific resource for design/<br>Found Scribe: Erich<br>Inferring ScribeNick: Erich<br>Default Present: shawn, jeanne, Jim, Erich, JohnR, jon_avila, AWK<br><br>WARNING: Replacing previous Present list. 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