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LVTF Minutes: August 4, 2016

From: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:37:16 -0500
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To: Low Vision Task Force <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
Hello everyone,

Minutes from  today's teleconference can be accessed as hypertext at:
https://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-lvtf-minutes.html
and as plain text following this announcement --  please report any
errors, omissions, clarifications, mis-attributions, and the like by
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Thanks.

Kindest Regards,
Laura

- DRAFT -
Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
04 Aug 2016

See also: IRC log
Attendees

Present
    Shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRochford, Laura
Regrets
Chair
    jim
Scribe
    Jim, Laura

Contents

    Topics
        Gap analysis updated - existing SCs
http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html
    Summary of Action Items
    Summary of Resolutions

<allanj> scribe: Jim

<allanj> these are fluid

<laura> Scribe: Laura

https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_Success_Criteria

AWK: 3 sets of stuff on the Wiki page.
... Success Criteria Requirements

Acceptance Criteria for proposals for new Success Criteria or to
change existing Success Criteria

<AWK> draft: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Proposals-for-new-Success-Criteria

<allanj> above is a mock up of a Proposed SC

scribe: some proposals may be long others may not be as long.

JR: each SC should be binary?

AWK: yes
... need testable statements.

JR: COGA hasn't really been constructing binary SCs

Wayne: I noticed that.

AWK: it is something we need to work out.
... Wiki page is what we are viewing as a template.
... need to base SC on good evidence.
... last setion on Wiki page is: Success Criteria Best Practice Guidelines
... …Best Practices are not things we will be rejecting SCs on.
... we will try to improve them in the process.

<allanj> laura: shall vs should

AWK: shall = must
... should = should

Jim: should we be following 1219 for SCs

AWK: yes

<allanj> rfc 2119 must be used in SC - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt

Jim: thank AWK

<JohnRochford> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1 has
placeholders for the TF SCs

AWK: WCAG 2.1 Success Criteria wiki page should be finalized next week.
Gap analysis updated - existing SCs
http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html

Jim: Gap analysis is now in proprer space.
... need SCs by december
... 3.1.1 Brightness Overall defer to silver
... something hardware should do.

Shawn: not for 2.1

3.1.2 Text Contrast Users can set the background color and the text
color from the full color spectrum.

Jim: wording we came up with a couple weeks ago.

Shawn: copy edit is needed.

Jim: got it.

<scottm> this: http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html

Jim: is this one we can put in template?

JR: what do we mean by system?
... why not say device?

shawn: perhaps say OS?

JR: User Agent?
... OS is too ambiguous.

AWK: sometimes things are not done by the OS.

Jim: would platform cover it?
... OS

<allanj> laura: is this for silver? how would authors do this? What
the technique?

<allanj> good point, Laura

wayne: author style sheet.

<allanj> can authors can defer to the browser setting for foreground
and background.

<allanj> we don't expect authors to write a stylesheet editor for their sites.

wayne: we can have a failure technique for not removing backgound images.

<allanj> text - For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a
mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and
background colors from the full range of colors available on the
operating system.

Scott: won’t work for flash.

AWK: could be available in fash.
... not worried about this use case.
... authors need to make sure this works.

shawn: are we comforable only scope to blocks of text?

wayne: we should use all text.

<JohnRochford> +1 to "text", not "blocks of text"

AWK: maybe we should send it through saying all text.

<JohnRochford> Gotta go, folks. Ciao.

<allanj> proposed text - For the visual presentation of text, a
mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and
background colors from the full range of colors available on the
operating system. (Level AA)

<shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and
background colors of text from the full range of colors available on
the system.

AWK: apple may have some concern.
... engineering needs to happen to meet it.

<shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and
background colors of text from the full range of colors available on
the operating system.

wayne: need to think of accessibility support.

Scott: whose responsibility is it?

Shawn: authors.
... in HTML it is done by browsers. but not in flash.

wayne: not that simple.

<shawn> Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select
foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors
available on the operating system.

<shawn> ^^^ adds handle "Text Colors"

RESOLUTION: Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select
foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors
available on the operating system.

Shawn: A or AA?

<Wayne> AA

<scottm> AA

<AWK> Not AAA

AA

3.1.3 Not Relying on Color Color is not the only visual means of
conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or
distinguishing a visual element.

Jim: No gap for 3.13

3.2.1 Rewrap for One Direction Scrolling

<scottm> 3..2..1..contact!

Jim: lot of proposals. WCAG 1.4.8 change to (AA)

wayne: AWK had propsed text.

<allanj> ack, a

<Zakim> AWK, you wanted to suggest that this item should be discussed
with COGA and MATF to avoid redundant work

AWK: 2.0 is still 200%

wayne: google docs only gives 200%

AWK: may want to coordinate with other TFs.

Jim: 3.2.2 Reflow to Single Column Users can set blocks of text in one
continuous block, instead of in multiple columns.
... we have 2

<allanj> Blocks of text can be displayed as a single column. (Level A)

<allanj> and

<allanj> Users can choose to have all content linearized in a single
column, with the same primary alignment. (Level AA)

wayne: shouldn't limit to blocks of text.
... everything should be able to be \ displayed as a single column.
... pictures, videos, everything.

jim: web page?

wayne: yes.

jim: is turning off css acceptable?

wayne: no

<allanj> Web page can be displayed as a single column.

Jim: reader mode is a mechanism

<AWK> content (Web content) information and sensory experience to be
communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or
markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and
interactions

<allanj> WCAG def "content (Web content)" - information and sensory
experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent,
including code or markup that defines the content's structure,
presentation, and interactions

jim: content can be displayed as a single column.
... exceptions: data tables and images?
... will put this in a template.
... in wiki and we can go from there.
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions

    Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select
foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors
available on the operating system.


-- 
Laura L. Carlson


-- 
Laura L. Carlson
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