Low Vision Task Force Meeting Minutes December 16, 2015

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http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html


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FPWD


JA: plan for first public working draft


Chuck: feels it is good to have a deadline


JA: WCAG needs chance to review and approve


Chuck: What state does document need to be in before then?


AWK: Not likely to be a session where in-depth content review takes place,
higher level
... at CSUN


JA: Feb 10th target deadline for FPWD


WD: Will we be putting forward succes criteria?


SLH: Overview, not success criteria, just yet


JA: Other concerns?


John Rochford: offer to copy-edit first draft when available


SLH: Draft can be edited in the wiki


John Rochford: would prefer to review final drafT before CSUN


<allanj> close item 2


<allanj> open item 3


survey results


<allanj> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/fineTuneOverview/results



JA: Thanks to all who took the time to complete the survey
...: we have a few areas that are well done, and a few that are languishing


<allanj>
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision



JA: Under CLARITY section, Erich suggests changing "changes" to "increases"


AWK: Suggested change would be fine


JA: Change made, as well as removal of duplicate "of"


perceptual area


JA: Taking a look at PERCEPTUAL section, Erich raised the idea of including
"scotoma" description and symptoms


<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to sak if scotoma is adequately covered in other
field loss?


AWK: We could include numerous highly medical terms, though want to be
mindful of the target audience


<JohnRochford> +1 to functional, not medical approach


Shawn: It is important that we include the effects of scotoma under "Other
Field Loss", but not necessarily the medical term


AWK: We could include that there is detailed medical terminology in the
appendix, if not found in the body


<allanj> include at top of document, it covers all topics


JA: Environmental field loss is something we could address at another time,
in deference to remaining agenda topics


<shawn> ACTION: Shawn integrate
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Integrate
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version [on
Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].


WD: Feels Environmental field loss is worthy of inclusion


AWK: Notes potential for blurring of categorical lines between symptoms and
causes


LC: Commingling could potentially be its own section


JA: Should Andrew attempt to include to learn how it fits?


WD: Feels it is a good idea


<allanj> perhaps tie 'environmental fieldloss' to clarity last sentence.


<laura> +1


AWK: Is okay with trying it out to see how it fits


<allanj> scribe: erich


AWK: asks John Rochford for clarification on earlier statement relative to
low-vision field loss


<allanj> ... "Some low vision users experience field loss, or a reduction
in their perceptual area."


John Rochford: Finds specific statement confusing and needing clarification


WD: Suggests removing "or"


JA: Asks John Rochford if this would be agreeable


John Rochford: Field Loss is not the only cause of reduction of perceptual
area


JA: Feels in our context, where our focus is primarily the web and computer
screen, our definition can suffice and does not need the added nuance


John Rochford: Agrees


AWK: Wonders if adding "due to" could help achieve needed clarification or
adds confusion


John Rochford; Since we say "Some", fine with "due to"


WD: Seems redundant


<AWK> trying this: Some low vision users experience field loss - a
reduction in their perceptual area.


<allanj> +1


<Wayne> +1


<JohnRochford> +1


<laura> +1


+1


Luminance


JA: Overview of feedback received


WD: willing to formulate for this section in plain language
... Willing to take an ACTION


<shawn> I propose that this section be re-titled to be more about the
functional limitation, like the others — e.g.: Light Sensitivity and
Contrast Sensitivity (or Light and Contrast Sensitivity) {Shawn}


<ChuckOp> I prefer the latter form


<JohnRochford> +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity


<allanj> ACTION: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Write the light and contrast sensitivity [on
Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].


AWK: Shawn has suggestion of Light and Contrast Sensitivity


<allanj> +1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity


+1 to Light and Contrast Sensitivity


<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to mention separate color or combined


SLH: Color Perception seems to potentially have too much weight to be
separate


Color


John Rochford: Laura has a great write-up


<shawn> good point, Laura, probably want this *much* simplier and plain
language


<allanj> ACTION: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color
Perception [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Write first draft plain english of color
perception [on Laura Carlson - due 2015-12-23].


JA: Laura would you be willing to attempt putting in to plain language?


LC: Willing to take an action


JA: John had a statment of Marsha Use Case, which I had to search down in
the document


<allanj> close item 3


AWK: likely holdover


<Wayne> ACTION: Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action04]


<trackbot> Error finding 'Use'. You can review and register nicknames at <
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/users>.


<shawn> ACTION: Wayne Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action05]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Use cases for wcag issues assigned to low
vision [on Wayne Dick - due 2015-12-23].


JA: No meeting for the next two weeks due to holiday schedule, and next
call will be Jan 6th, 2016


<shawn> Attendance Survey:
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/81151/LVTF-telecons/

...: Issue on drop shadow contrast referred to us by Wcag


<JohnRochford> gotta go, folks


wcag issue#98


<allanj> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98)


JA: Can use of drop shadow allow to meet the contrast requirement


AWK: Not likely to have an automatic answer to this, though worthy of
inclusion and exploration, good to be discussed on the GitHub issue itself
and comment


SLH: Curious about people's first reactions to it


WD: Has done some testing, just black and white with controlled luminance,
with drop shadow going all the way around


SLH: Wayne include example in the GitHub dialog


WD: Some pixels in his testing could meet the standard, but not all


<ChuckOp> Apologies, have to drop out.


SLH: Thinking more about a possible study of whether people can see it and
designing a test


<shawn> ACTION: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action06]


<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with wayne and jim on study design for
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [on Shawn Henry - due 2015-12-23].


<laura> Bye. Happy Holiday’s.


trackbot, end meeting


Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Laura to write first draft plain english of Color Perception
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Shawn integrate
https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/2 into github version
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: shawn work with wayne and jim on study design for
https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/98 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Wayne to write the Light and Contrast Sensitivity [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Wayne Use cases for WCAG issues assigned to Low Vision
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-lvtf-minutes.html#action05]