- From: Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@graphity.org>
- Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 20:28:55 +0200
- To: Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>
- Cc: Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAE35Vmzp8QXsBoCnnJxvD3Q4Mf=iQNOAGP54+h_OXyMrd8otGA@mail.gmail.com>
Fabio, my example was not a quad, it was a blank node. Quads have to to with named graphs, while blank nodes is a normal RDF modelling practice. Martynas On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch> wrote: > Dear Neil, Martynas, dear communities > > (I do not find quads are the best idea to type an RDF value - although > there were already some publicly financed projects proposing it). > > Upon Neil’s kind remark and explanation,* Semweb decided to finance the > implementation of units of measure in SKOS Shuttle:* > > SKOS Shuttle allows by now the definition of RDF typed custom attributes > choosing a type from 58 available units of measure which are (temporarily) > defined in https://semweb.ch/lod/2016/12/unitsofmeasure.rdf (small > changes might be published here in the next days) and loaded in SKOS > Shuttle, waiting for W3C to come up with. > > The defined units of measure are the ones described in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units and > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units. they are mapped to types in > https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ - please advice if some important > units are still missing. Following Neil’s humorous hint and only upon > regular commercial request further units e.g. from > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humorous_units_of_measurement will > be added. > > RDF custom attribute are typed in SKOS Shuttle using the same combobox as > for choosing a W3C type, like shown in https://skosshuttle.ch/gen/ > images/sksunits.png (also subject to small changes in the next days). > > Thus the modelled example https://skosshuttle.ch/gen/images/skspiston.png *shows > now a “diameter" and a “height" in inches*. > The type “Inch” is defined as swunits:inch i.e. http://semweb.ch/lod/ > 2016/12/unitsofmeasure.rdf#inch, and relies upon the W3C type > https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#double). > > Ergo by now SKOS Shuttle allows you by now to start using RDF typed data > and hence to *model* not only engineering but *physics domains*. > > Thank you, Neil :) > > Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse > *Fabio Ricci* > > semweb > Semantic Web Technologies · Records Management > Software systems · ICT coaching · ICT Projects leading > > *https://semweb.ch* <https://ch.semweb.ch> > > *https://skosshuttle.ch* <https://skosshuttle.ch> > > *https://rdflink.ch* <https://rdflink.ch> > > Weinmanngasse 26 > CH-8700 Küsnacht ZH (Switzerland) > > *Tel.* > > +41 (076) 5281961 <+41%2076%20528%2019%2061> > +39 (389) 0681334 <+39%20389%20068%201334> > > *Skype:* > > *semweb-llc* <http://“#”> > > *Confidentiality Warning*: This message and any attachments are intended > only for the use of the intended recipients, are confidential and maybe > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, > circulation or other use of this message and any attachments is strictly > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender > immediately by return email, and delete this message and any attachments > from your system. Thank you. > > On 20 Dec 2016, at 10:59, Martynas Jusevičius <martynas@graphity.org> > wrote: > > The measure and the unit do not have to fit into the same RDF value. You > can use a blank node and then use QUDT to encode the unit: > > [ qudt:unit unit:IN ; > qudt:value 8.55 ] > > http://qudt.org > http://qudt.org/vocab/unit/IN > > > Martynas > atomgraph.com > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch> > wrote: > >> Dear Neil >> >> thank you for writing, and it seems that I have put a finger on weak spot >> … regarding the units subject (sorry!), and thank you for the nice >> narration. >> Nevertheless I need to point out, that the current lack of units in RDF >> is not an inherent problem of RDF, nor it does not require a quad (see >> below), but I see it as a temporary (maybe … political?) problem, because >> W3C seems to have decided until today *not* to provide units of measure for >> a value, as you promptly remarked here. From the representational point of >> view, this need would be solved by simply define the unit of measure into >> the value type expression like (hypothetically) >> >> "8.55^^" <http://www.w3.org/2016/XMLSchema#*inches*> or even >> "8.55^^" <http://www.oilit.com/2016/XMLSchema#*inches*> >> >> … having again the triple and not the quad. >> >> So, please let separate a still incomplete type / units standard >> definition from a tool which seems to offer a (currently) unique set of >> features around RDF. >> >> Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse >> *Fabio Ricci* >> >> semweb >> Semantic Web Technologies · Records Management >> Software systems · ICT coaching · ICT Projects leading >> >> *https://semweb.ch* <https://ch.semweb.ch/> >> >> *https://skosshuttle.ch* <https://skosshuttle.ch/> >> >> *https://rdflink.ch* <https://rdflink.ch/> >> >> Weinmanngasse 26 >> CH-8700 Küsnacht ZH (Switzerland) >> >> *Tel.* >> >> +41 (076) 5281961 <+41%2076%20528%2019%2061> >> +39 (389) 0681334 <+39%20389%20068%201334> >> >> *Skype:* >> >> *semweb-llc* <http://xn--hvg/#%E2%80%9D> >> >> *Confidentiality Warning*: This message and any attachments are intended >> only for the use of the intended recipients, are confidential and maybe >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified >> that any review, retransmission, conversion to hard copy, copying, >> circulation or other use of this message and any attachments is strictly >> prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender >> immediately by return email, and delete this message and any attachments >> from your system. Thank you. >> >> On 20 Dec 2016, at 10:02, Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com> wrote: >> >> Fabio, >> >> That’s not so good for engineering style reasoning as in trying to see if >> a valve will fit into a particular place or use. This is a recurring >> problem with RDF triple modeling – there are not enough places in a triple >> to put all the information you need to qualify a dimension. A *valve* >> hasproperty *height* AND inunits *centimeters*. A quad already. >> Of course it can be done – but requires more mapping which AKAIK is done >> idiosyncratically with every author adopting his/her own approach. >> For some (amusing I hope) background to this issue see my March 2004 Oil >> IT Journal editorial A Million Miles of Spaghetti are Eaten Every Day >> <http://www.oilit.com/2journal/4php/4_rebuild_center_frameset.php?item=load_article&2dyear=04&2dmonth=03&artno=3http://www.oilit.com/2journal/4php/4_rebuild_center_frameset.php?item=load_article&2dyear=04&2dmonth=03&artno=3>. >> >> >> Best regards >> Neil McNaughton - @neilmcn <http://www.twitter.com/neilmcn> >> Editor and Publisher, Oil IT Journal >> Now in its 21st year! >> Oil IT Journal is published by The Data Room SARL >> 7 Rue des Verrieres >> 92310 Sevres, France >> Cell - +336 7271 2642 <+33%206%2072%2071%2026%2042> >> Tel - +331 4623 9596 <+33%201%2046%2023%2095%2096> >> info@oilit.com/http://www.oilit.com >> <image001.png> <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/neil-mcnaughton/6/498/243> >> >> >> >> *From:* Fabio Ricci [mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch> >> ] >> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 7:47 PM >> *To:* Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com> >> *Cc:* semantic-web@w3.org; public-lod@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: SKOS Shuttle 2.2.6 available as RDF Composer >> >> In case your question was: "How do I recognise what unit measure the >> attributes are” the answer is: >> In the current release You have to name the attribute to have the measure >> directly in its name, for instance instead of “Diameter” you take >> “DiameterInches”. >> >> Thank you for your question >> >> Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse >> *Fabio Ricci* >> >> >> *sem**web* >> >> >> >> >> Semantic Web Technologies · Records Management >> Software systems · ICT coaching · ICT Projects leading >> *https://semweb.ch* <https://ch.semweb.ch/> >> *https://skosshuttle.ch* <https://skosshuttle.ch/> >> *https://rdflink.ch* <https://rdflink.ch/> >> Weinmanngasse 26 >> CH-8700 Küsnacht ZH (Switzerland) >> *Tel.* >> +41 (076) 5281961 <+41%2076%20528%2019%2061> >> +39 (389) 0681334 <+39%20389%20068%201334> >> *Skype:* >> >> *semweb-llc* >> >> *Confidentiality Warning*: This message and any attachments are intended >> only for the use of the intended recipients, are confidential and maybe >> privileged. 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Thank you. >> >> >> On 19 Dec 2016, at 19:43, Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch> wrote: >> >> Diameter and Height are psd:decimal value and is encoded using >> https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#decimal >> >> So the RDF value will be "8.55"^^<http://www.w3.org/ >> 2001/XMLSchema#decimal> >> >> Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse >> *Fabio Ricci* >> >> >> >> *sem**web* >> >> >> >> >> Semantic Web Technologies · Records Management >> Software systems · ICT coaching · ICT Projects leading >> *https://semweb.ch* <https://ch.semweb.ch/> >> *https://skosshuttle.ch* <https://skosshuttle.ch/> >> *https://rdflink.ch* <https://rdflink.ch/> >> Weinmanngasse 26 >> CH-8700 Küsnacht ZH (Switzerland) >> *Tel.* >> +41 (076) 5281961 <+41%2076%20528%2019%2061> >> +39 (389) 0681334 <+39%20389%20068%201334> >> *Skype:* >> >> *semweb-llc* >> >> *Confidentiality Warning*: This message and any attachments are intended >> only for the use of the intended recipients, are confidential and maybe >> privileged. 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Thank you. >> >> >> On 19 Dec 2016, at 19:01, Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com> wrote: >> >> “Diameter 8.55” 8.55 what – feet, meters … how do you encode the units? >> >> Best regards >> Neil McNaughton >> info@oilit.com >> Editor and Publisher, Oil IT Journal >> Public website – www.oilit.com >> Cell - +336 7271 2642 <+33%206%2072%2071%2026%2042> >> >> >> >> *From:* Fabio Ricci [mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch> >> ] >> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 6:54 PM >> *To:* semantic-web@w3.org; public-lod@w3.org >> *Subject:* SKOS Shuttle 2.2.6 available as RDF Composer >> >> Dear Community >> >> I am proud to announce here that SKOS Shuttle has reached per today a >> further degree of maturity. >> With Release 2.2.6 SKOS Shuttle permits to create SKOS networks enhanced >> as follows: >> >> 1) Integrating OWL classes at concept level (inherit all OWL class data >> properties) >> 2) Allowing creation of Custom attributes at concept level according to >> values in https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ >> 3) Allowing (symmetrical) Custom Relations to link concepts (finally >> allowing special constructs like "part-of”) >> 4) Inserting SPARQL-UPDATE stuff (minor feature) in SPARQL tab >> 5) Editing coloured RDF statements in the appropriate tab. >> >> *De facto SKOS Shuttle has become per 2016 an RDF composer.* >> See a (really) tiny example in https://skosshuttle.ch/gen/ >> images/skspiston.png >> >> SKOS Shuttle is free to use (inside a fixed resource extent), educational >> institutes gets the “silver”Tarif for free. >> >> Thank you all and have all a nice Christmas Time and a better New Year >> 2017! >> >> Kind regards / Meilleures salutations / Freundliche Grüsse >> *Fabio Ricci* >> >> *sem**web* >> >> >> Semantic Web Technologies · Records Management >> Software systems · ICT coaching · ICT Projects leading >> *https://semweb.ch* <https://ch.semweb.ch/> >> *https://skosshuttle.ch* <https://skosshuttle.ch/> >> *https://rdflink.ch* <https://rdflink.ch/> >> Weinmanngasse 26 >> CH-8700 Küsnacht ZH (Switzerland) >> *Tel.* >> +41 (076) 5281961 <+41%2076%20528%2019%2061> >> +39 (389) 0681334 <+39%20389%20068%201334> >> *Skype:* >> >> *semweb-llc* >> >> *Confidentiality Warning*: This message and any attachments are intended >> only for the use of the intended recipients, are confidential and maybe >> privileged. 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