Re: SKOS Shuttle 2.2.6 available as RDF Composer

Dear Neil

thank you for writing, and it seems that I have put a finger on weak spot … regarding the units subject (sorry!), and thank you for the nice narration. 
Nevertheless I need to point out, that the current lack of units in RDF is not an inherent problem of RDF, nor it does not require a quad (see below), but I see it as a temporary (maybe … political?) problem, because W3C seems to have decided until today *not* to provide units of measure for a value, as you promptly remarked here. From the representational point of view, this need would be solved by simply define the unit of measure into the value type expression like (hypothetically)

"8.55^^" <http://www.w3.org/2016/XMLSchema#inches> or even
"8.55^^" <http://www.oilit.com/2016/XMLSchema#inches>  

… having again the triple and not the quad. 

So, please let separate a still incomplete type / units standard definition from a tool which seems to offer a (currently) unique set of features around RDF.

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> On 20 Dec 2016, at 10:02, Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com> wrote:
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> Fabio,
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> That’s not so good for engineering style reasoning as in trying to see if a valve will fit into a particular place or use. This is a recurring problem with RDF triple modeling – there are not enough places in a triple to put all the information you need to qualify a dimension. A valve hasproperty height AND inunits centimeters. A quad already.
> Of course it can be done – but requires more mapping which AKAIK is done idiosyncratically with every author adopting his/her own approach.
> For some (amusing I hope) background to this issue see my March 2004 Oil IT Journal editorial A Million Miles of Spaghetti are Eaten Every Day <http://www.oilit.com/2journal/4php/4_rebuild_center_frameset.php?item=load_article&2dyear=04&2dmonth=03&artno=3http://www.oilit.com/2journal/4php/4_rebuild_center_frameset.php?item=load_article&2dyear=04&2dmonth=03&artno=3>.  
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> From: Fabio Ricci [mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch <mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>] 
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:47 PM
> To: Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com <mailto:neilmcn@oilit.com>>
> Cc: semantic-web@w3.org <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>; public-lod@w3.org <mailto:public-lod@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: SKOS Shuttle 2.2.6 available as RDF Composer 
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> In case your question was: "How do I recognise what unit measure the attributes are” the answer is: 
> In the current release You have to name the attribute to have the measure directly in its name, for instance instead of “Diameter” you take “DiameterInches”.
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> Thank you for your question
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> On 19 Dec 2016, at 19:43, Fabio Ricci <fabio.ricci@semweb.ch <mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>> wrote:
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> Diameter and Height are psd:decimal value and is encoded using https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#decimal <https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#decimal>
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> So the RDF value will be "8.55"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#decimal>> 
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> On 19 Dec 2016, at 19:01, Neil McNaughton <neilmcn@oilit.com <mailto:neilmcn@oilit.com>> wrote:
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> “Diameter 8.55” 8.55 what – feet, meters … how do you encode the units?
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> From: Fabio Ricci [mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch <mailto:fabio.ricci@semweb.ch>] 
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> Subject: SKOS Shuttle 2.2.6 available as RDF Composer 
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> Dear Community
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> I am proud to announce here that SKOS Shuttle has reached per today a further degree of maturity. 
> With Release 2.2.6 SKOS Shuttle permits to create SKOS networks enhanced as follows:
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> 1) Integrating OWL classes at concept level (inherit all OWL class data properties)
> 2) Allowing creation of Custom attributes at concept level according to values in https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ <https://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/> 
> 3) Allowing (symmetrical) Custom Relations to link concepts (finally allowing special constructs like "part-of”)
> 4) Inserting SPARQL-UPDATE stuff (minor feature) in SPARQL tab
> 5) Editing coloured RDF statements in the appropriate tab.
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> De facto SKOS Shuttle has become per 2016 an RDF composer.
> See a (really) tiny example in https://skosshuttle.ch/gen/images/skspiston.png <https://skosshuttle.ch/gen/images/skspiston.png>
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> SKOS Shuttle is free to use (inside a fixed resource extent), educational institutes gets the “silver”Tarif for free.
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> Thank you all and have all a nice Christmas Time and a better New Year 2017!
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> Fabio Ricci
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