Re: "Microsoft Access" for RDF?

Pat,

    so far as "corporation is a person" that is what we have foaf:Agent
for.  A corporation can sign contracts and be an endpoint for communication
and payments the same as a person so to model the world of law,  business,
 finance and stuff that is a very real thing.

   If you take that idea too literally,  however,  it conflicts with "a
person is an animal" in terms of physiology,  but that too can be modelled.

Cristoph,

   the trouble with OWL is that things that almost work have a way of
displacing things that do work,  particularly in a community that has the
incentive structures that the semweb community has.  We have the problem of
a really bad rep in many circles,  I see people say stuff like this all the
time

http://lemire.me/blog/archives/2014/12/02/when-bad-ideas-will-not-die-from-classical-ai-to-linked-data/

and I have to admit that back in 2004 I was the guy who stood in the back
of the conference room and said "isn't this like the stuff they tried in
the 80's that didn't work."  A lot of people believe that guff,  and
combine that with the road rage of people who look for US states in DBpedia
and find that 3 of them got dropped on the floor,  it can be very hard to
get taken seriously.

Lemire's unconstructive criticism displaces real criticism,  but that kind
of criticism could be displaced by constructive criticism about the
standards we have.

For instance,  I think RDF Data Shapes is a great idea but I needed it back
in 2007 and it just astonishing to me that it took so long for it to happen.

(Now I must admit I am most curious about why it is standards for rules
interchange,  i.e. the RuleML family,  KIF,  and a few others have had such
a hard time going,  whereas you find things like Drools,  Blaze Advisor,
 and iLog running many real world systems.)

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us> wrote:

>
> On Feb 20, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Michael Brunnbauer <brunni@netestate.de>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Paul,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 09:19:06PM +0100, Michael Brunnbauer wrote:
> >>> Another case is where there really is a total ordering.  For
> instance,  the
> >>> authors of a scientific paper might get excited if you list them in the
> >>> wrong order.  One weird old trick for this is RDF containers,  which
> are
> >>> specified in the XMP dialect of Dublin Core
> >>
> >> How do you bring this in line with <property> rdfs:range <datatype>,
> especially
> >> <property> rdfs:range rdf:langString? I do not see a contradiction but
> this
> >> makes things quite ugly.
> >>
> >> How about all the SPARQL queries that assume a literal as object and
> not a RDF
> >> container?
> >
> > Another simpler example would be <property> rdfs:range foaf:Person.
> > http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_Person says that "Something is a
> Person if it
> > is a person". How can an RDF container of several persons be a person?
>
> According the US Supreme Court a corporation is a person, so I would guess
> that a mere container would have no trouble geting past the censors.
>
> Pat
>
> >
> > If one can put a container where a container is not explicitly
> sanctioned by
> > the semantics of the property, then I have missed something important.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Brunnbauer
> >
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