Re: Cost and access (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

I think that this is at the core of the problem:

> 2 impact factor: i have the impression that conventional publishers have a
> bit of a monopoly and and sudden disruption would be hard to engineer. How
> do to get leading researchers to devote their work in some new crackpot
> e-journal to the exclusion of other articles which will earn them more
> points towards tenure and grants? Perhaps the answer is slowly build the
> impact factor; perhaps it's some sort of revolution in the minds of
> administrators and funders.

publishers also own impact factors. in addition, impact factors are thought
for printed material not for the web, not to talk about the web of data.
there are the alt metrics but those are yet to prove their validity.

I keep wondering if html and pdfs are the only options. why not having a
real web-of-data native format?



On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org> writes:
>
> > Let's work through the requirements and a plausible migration plan. We
> need:
> >
> > 1 persistent storage: it's hard to beat books for a feeling of
> persistence.
> > Contracts with trusted archival institutions can help but we might also
> > want some assurances that the protocols and formats will persist as well.
>
> In my area, the majority of journals aren't printed; I've thrown away
> conference proceedings the last decade anyway.
>
> Protocols and formats, yes, true a problem. I think in an argument
> between HTML and PDF, then it's hard to see one has the advantage over
> another. My experience is that HTML is easier to extract text from,
> which is always going to be base line.
>
> For what it is worth, there are achiving solutions, including
> archive.org and arxiv.org both of which leap to mind.
>
>
> > 2 impact factor: i have the impression that conventional publishers have
> a
> > bit of a monopoly and and sudden disruption would be hard to engineer.
> How
> > do to get leading researchers to devote their work in some new crackpot
> > e-journal to the exclusion of other articles which will earn them more
> > points towards tenure and grants? Perhaps the answer is slowly build the
> > impact factor; perhaps it's some sort of revolution in the minds of
> > administrators and funders.
>
> This is true. So, if the reason that ESWC and ISWC only accept papers in
> PDF is because we need LNCS for tenure and that they will only take PDF,
> it would be good to have a public statement about this.
>
> As it stands, the only statement that the semantic web community are
> making is that web formats are too poor for scientific usage.
>
>
> > I work towards a network of actionable data just like the rest of you so
> I
> > don't want to discourage this conversation; I just want to focus it.
>
> Okay. I would like to know who made the decision that HTML is not
> acceptable and why.
>
> Phil
>
>


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