- From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:05:47 -0400
- To: public-lod@w3.org
- Message-ID: <51805C5B.9050304@openlinksw.com>
On 4/30/13 6:25 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: > Sounds interesting, but still a bit unclear. It is about dropping files into folders as a pattern for Web publication. The documents in question would be comprised of RDF model based structured data, ideally. > Do you have concrete examples of how would this (the new > linkeddata.org <http://linkeddata.org>) look like? Linked Data is not driven by "looks like" it is about presence, structured data, and a variety of presentations options which are driven by user agent preferences etc.. > Are you proposing a linkeddata.org <http://linkeddata.org> entry point > which is basically Linked Data resource in itself which links to other > Linked Data resources? All of which is about Linked Data itself ;) > > INCEPTION I am confident that Steph has a grasp of what I am seeking here. Let's see what he comes up with. Kingsley > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Kingsley Idehen > <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: > > On 4/30/13 2:18 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >> Kingsley, >> >> Hold on I don't get it. We're talking about the entry-point for >> Linked Data information, which is linkeddata.org >> <http://linkeddata.org> > > Do am I. That's a data space on the Web. Ideally, it should > exemplify the "deceptive simplicity" of Linked Data. > > It should be a place where resources are created, edited, and > deleted using the file create, save, and share pattern. > > It's most basic front door should look like the file manager view > on your desktop [1]. > > Different identities will have different privileges with regards > to document creation, editing, and deletion. > > All documents created in this data space would bear Linked Data > based content, of course some of this could be coarse and in other > cases fine-grained, it doesn't really matter. >> >> Of course then we will link to other resources and sites (just as >> the site is doing now). I'm not sure exactly what you're >> referring to. >> >> What problem are you trying to solve exactly? > > Using Linked Data to bring linkeddata.org <http://linkeddata.org> > back to life. > >> We're simply trying to make linkeddata.org >> <http://linkeddata.org> more open and accessible. > > And nothing I am suggesting is contrary to that goal. > > Links: > > 1. http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/ -- that's a > simply example of the file create, save, and share pattern with a > conventional directory browse UI > 2. http://bit.ly/119fsdg -- simple example of how Web resource > access and control can be driven Linked Data. > > Kingsley >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kingsley Idehen >> <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote: >> >> On 4/30/13 12:51 PM, Luca Matteis wrote: >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> Yes I have been discussing with Stéphane as well. Hopefully >>> we can get things going. >>> >>> About the willingness to participate, if we make the system >>> open enough (but with spam control) then we really don't >>> need to be setting goals about the community's willingness >>> to participate. It will create a spontaneous collaborative >>> environment. >>> >>> That's why I favor a wiki system. But Drupal works very >>> similarly to wikis, right? So no need to change the >>> technology. Just more open and user-friendly signup system >>> is enough for now. >>> >>> Luca >> >> All, >> >> Circa. 2013 we have Web Access Controls and verifiable >> Identity that scales to the Web. Basically, these are >> applications of the very technology we are encouraging the >> world to explore and implement. If we don't use these >> technologies ourselves why should be in any position to ask >> others to use this technology. >> >> Here's what we have: >> >> 1. WebID -- HTTP URI that denotes Agents >> >> 2. WebID Profile Document -- the content of this document >> describes an entity denoted by a WebID >> >> 3. An X.509 Certificate that includes a WebID in its Subject >> Alternative Name slot -- this is for all intents and purposes >> a local profile graph installed to a secure location on your >> machine, alongside an associated private key that's paired >> with said certificate's public key >> >> 4. WebID+TLS -- uses RDF based entity relationship semantics >> and PKI to authenticate a WebID >> >> 5. Web Access Control Ontology -- describes resource access >> controls. >> >> How do you make it work hassle free? >> >> 1. Get a WebID from an WebID Identity Provider -- there are >> several (a WebID supporting IdP will take the tedium out of >> steps 1-4 above) >> 2. Use a content management system that supports resource >> access controls based on the combined use of a WebID and the >> Web Access Control Ontology -- there are a number of these >> around. >> >> Tom: you know how to get a hold of me, so lets get this >> domain back to what we aspired it would be circa. 2007 in >> Banff :-) >> >> Links: >> >> 1. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID -- WebID Information Portal >> 2. http://id.myopenlink.net/certgen -- simple WebID generator >> 3. http://id.myopenlink.net/ods/webid_demo.html -- simple >> WebID verifier >> 2. http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl -- Web Access >> Controls. >> >> >> Kingsley >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Tom Heath >>> <tom.heath@theodi.org <mailto:tom.heath@theodi.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Yury, Luca, all, >>> >>> There's a separate, off-list thread going on at the >>> moment with >>> Stéphane Corlosquet, who has offered to help maintain >>> the site (and >>> now has admin rights) -- thanks Stéphane! >>> >>> You're right, the site is very stale. As I've said many >>> times before, >>> I'm open to any suggestions about how to use the domain >>> for the >>> greatest benefit of the community. So, all ideas >>> welcomed, though they >>> have to include a willingness to participate and a plan >>> for how to >>> actually get the work done on an ongoing basis. As >>> history shows I'm >>> too busy right now to participate regularly :( >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom. >>> >>> >>> On 30 April 2013 14:28, Yury Katkov >>> <katkov.juriy@gmail.com <mailto:katkov.juriy@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>> > It seems like the website is abandoned. It's strange >>> that the diagram is not >>> > developing as well: it is the most common Power Point >>> slide in every >>> > Semantic Web-related presentation :) >>> > ----- >>> > Yury Katkov, WikiVote >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Luca Matteis >>> <lmatteis@gmail.com <mailto:lmatteis@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> I was wondering if we could make >>> http://linkeddata.org/ a bit more open & >>> >> community friendly. Currently I find its contents a >>> bit outdated. For >>> >> example, the Research page only contains content from >>> 2009. I think a >>> >> "Community" page is missing where we could have links >>> to G+, Twitter and IRC >>> >> communities. Also we could have a page for Meetups >>> and conferences around >>> >> LOD. >>> >> >>> >> I find the OpenID log in to be a bit unfriendly. >>> There's many people who >>> >> have never heard of this technology, and it is a bit >>> overwhelming to have to >>> >> copy & paste an OpenID url in order to log in to the >>> website. >>> >> >>> >> Tom Heath seems to be the administrator, so perhaps >>> we can discuss about a >>> >> better Wiki system for the site? Maybe Semantic Wiki ;)? >>> >> >>> >> Let me know what you think! >>> >> >>> >> Luca >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Tom Heath >>> Data Scientist >>> Open Data Institute >>> http://theodi.org/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen >> Founder & CEO >> OpenLink Software >> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com >> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> >> Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen >> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about >> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen > Founder & CEO > OpenLink Software > Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com > Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen> > Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen > Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about > LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen > > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Founder & CEO OpenLink Software Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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