Re: New Hewlett Packard patent may be a barrier to Semantic Web services adoption

Hi all,
Just a quick update - USPTO had open office hours here at the NYU-Poly
Incubator. They verified that askpatents should be used by the community to
show more prior art.

http://patents.stackexchange.com/questions/4668/semantic-web-policy-enforcement-hewlett-packard-issued-patent-prior-art

They will also introduce me to the Office of Patent Legal Administration
(OPLA) to let us know the process/next steps.

They said that we don't need an army of lawyers, but they did say that the
community should try to monitor patent filings before they are granted as
its much easier to stop overbroad patents (Joel Spolky's 15-minutes) before
they're granted.

Best,
Joel



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On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM, adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com> wrote:

> A brace of Joels -:)
>
> That's interesting ...
>
> Well this is something of legitimate public group interest where, it
> seems, people are not powerless.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 1 August 2013 18:13, Joel Natividad <joel.natividad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Second askpatents.com.
>>
>> Joel Spolsky <http://joelonsoftware.com> relates a story how he was able
>> to kill a Microsoft patent with 15 minutes of his time by showing prior art.
>>
>> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2013/07/22.html
>>
>> =======================================================
>> Think Different! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_different#Text)
>> Imagine Different! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tOgRD4EqY)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Graham Klyne <GK-lists@ninebynine.org>wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have a "legal department to challenge the patent", but in case
>>> it helps:
>>>
>>>   http://www.ninebynine.org/**SWAD-E/Scenario-HomeNetwork/**
>>> HomeNetworkConfig.html<http://www.ninebynine.org/SWAD-E/Scenario-HomeNetwork/HomeNetworkConfig.html>
>>>
>>> This was work I did around 2002-03, and includes use of RDF technologies
>>> to set access controls on a Cisco IOS router, which appears to correspond
>>> to the first primary claim of the patent:
>>>
>>> [[
>>> 1. An enforcement system for enforcing policies with regard to service
>>> requests comprising a processor-readable, non-transient medium storing code
>>> representing instructions that when executed at a processor cause the
>>> processor to implement: a plurality of enforcer agents adapted to enforce
>>> policies; at least one explorer agent adapted to evaluate policy
>>> enforcement capabilities available to the enforcement system; and a policy
>>> decision point adapted to identify the policies that need to be enforced
>>> for a service request and to pass this information to at least one enforcer
>>> agent to enforce the identified policies.
>>> ]]
>>>
>>> I recall there was also an Internet draft published about this time that
>>> talked about using RDF in a network management control layer: see
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/**draft-atarashi-netconfmodel-**
>>> architecture-00<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-atarashi-netconfmodel-architecture-00>
>>> .
>>>
>>> #g
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31/07/2013 20:15, Martin Hepp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all:
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, Hewlett Packard has been granted a patent on "Policy
>>>> Enforcement":
>>>>
>>>>         http://www.freepatentsonline.**com/8498959.html<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8498959.html>
>>>>         http://www.freepatentsonline.**com/8498959..pdf<http://www.freepatentsonline.com/8498959.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can see, it heavily constrains the commercial exploitation
>>>> of research done in the Semantic Web / Semantic Web Services community from
>>>> 2001-2009.
>>>>
>>>> So if you worked on policies in the context of Semantic Web Services or
>>>> Semantic Business Process Management before November 2009, it may be
>>>> worthwhile to check whether the patent claims inventions that you can prove
>>>> to have been prior art at that time.
>>>>
>>>> This may be particularly relevant for the organizers and contributors
>>>> to the various policy workshops co-located with ISWC/ESWC conferences.
>>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with the legal process, but if you feel this patent
>>>> claims what was already publicly known / discussed at conferences back
>>>> then, please ask your employer or legal department to challenge the patent.
>>>> It may otherwise put the usage of SWS in business applications at risk.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------**--------------------------
>>>> martin hepp
>>>> e-business & web science research group
>>>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
>>>>
>>>> e-mail:  hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org
>>>> phone:   +49-(0)89-6004-4217
>>>> fax:     +49-(0)89-6004-4620
>>>> www:     http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group)
>>>>           http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal)
>>>> skype:   mfhepp
>>>> twitter: mfhepp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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