- From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
- To: "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <1343666377.22056.YahooMailNeo@web112620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Fine, if:
1. The "app store" was not-for-profit, and plainly it is not.
2. The Intellectual Property game was not rigged against the small "owner". Mobile Devices put data delivery at arm's length and this is good, but there is much evil in putting the data source at arm's length. The evil manifests in at least two ways:
A. Mobile Devices seem to do a census of users. The Statistical Analysis Methods if used by the Census are not dynamic, though, and a Mobile Device counts rooftops or households. Rooftops or households in turn cannot count infants, for example. I reject the premise that a fuzzy portrait of the number and mores of Economic Men below the rooftop is better than nothing. It is worse than "nothing" because it renders Statistical Analysis to improve the data impossible.
B. For large owners of IP, the rule is "Loose Lips Sink Ships". For individuals and small owners of IP, a listener representing large owners is at arm's length. This rigs the game. The large owners left fingerprints ... http://www.schema.org/Library A Library has no book inventory, just a cash drawer to collect fines. This ontology supports a world view based on predatory behavior.
If you call it all "Big Data" you have already chosen your poison.
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From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
To: public-lod@w3.org
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Linked Data Business Models?
On 7/30/12 10:34 AM, Gannon Dick wrote:
Big Data did not grow to be Big Data by doing things like Big Data does them now. Who are the "... other non eCommerce oriented behemoths" ?
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I said:
"As far as I know, "Advertising" and "Surreptitious Personal Profile
Data Wholesale" are the only models that have made a difference to
the bottom lines of: Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo! and other non
eCommerce oriented behemoths."
As for Big Data growth, what does that mean? How are Big Data and
the Linked Open Data Cloud or the combined effects of public and
private Linked Data exploitation somehow distinct from Big Data?
Ultimately, folks will realize that Linked Data enables you do more
with Big Data i.e., discover and share insights from Big Data
spaces. It also enables ad-hoc querying over Big Data, across
disparate data sources etc..
To conclude, its best to look at Linked Data (which is basically
unadulterated Web essence) as a vehicle for making stuff associated
with the Big Data buzzword much better. Otherwise, we're just back
to the same old "cat and mouse" game re. the next great data silo
disguised as something different via marketing buzz.
Kingsley
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> From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
>To: public-lod@w3.org
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:50 AM
>Subject: Re: Linked Data Business Models?
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>On 7/30/12 8:11 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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>>On 26 July 2012 00:08, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
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>>All,
>>>
>>>There is a tendency assume an eternal lack of
functional and scalable business models with
regards to Linked Data. I think its time for an
open discussion about this matter.
>>>
>>>It's no secret, I've never seen business models as
challenging Linked Data. Quite the contrary. That
said, instead of a dump from me about my
viewpoints on Linked Data models, how about
starting this discussion by identifying any non
"Advertising based business model" that have
actually worked on the Web to date.
>>>
>>>As far as I know, "Advertising" and "Surreptitious
Personal Profile Data Wholesale" are the only
models that have made a difference to the bottom
lines of: Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo! and
other non eCommerce oriented behemoths.
>>>
>>>Based on the above, let's have a serious and frank
discussion about business models with the
understanding agreement that one size will never
fit all, ever, so this rule cannot be overlooked
re. Linked Data. Also remember, Business models
aren't silver bullets, they are typically aligned
with markets (qualified and quantified pain
points) and the evolving nature of tangible and
monetizable value.
>>>
>>>Hopefully, the floor is now open to everyone that
has a vested interest in this very important
matter :-)
>>>
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>>I think we need a paid app store for the web
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>>Plenty of examples of people writing apps,
deploying them to mobile and making good revenue
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>>Why should it not be as easy to deploy to 'The
Web'
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>Great point!
>
>A webby application store driven by the likes of
GoodRelations, FOAF Profiles, SIOC data spaces, WebID
ACLs, and Payswarm is something that's missing re.
poweful Linked Data showcase outside the realms of
dataset publishing. Imagine if developers could produce
Linked Data apps for desktops, notebooks, tables, and
phones that were easy to discover, courtesy of the kind
of serendipity inherent in Web-scale Linked Data meshes.
Basically, you end up with something as simple as:
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>Developer Activity:
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>1. write app
>2. describe app -- using something as simple as a turtle
document
>3. deploy app to a Web location -- e.g., dropbox or an
ftp location
>4. ACL protect access to the app via WebID
>5. use WebID watermarked X.509 certificate as the
license file which enforces terms of use
>6. announce app via a Tweet, G+, Facebook, LinkedIn
post.
>
>Note: this system would be federated and endowed with a
SPARQL endpoint giving developers the option to maintain
their own app stores etc..
>In addition, existing App stores that offer APIs would
be hooked into the system via wrapper / proxy services
that produce Linked Data etc..
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>Very cool idea!
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>>>--
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Kingsley Idehen
>>>Founder & CEO
>>>OpenLink Software
>>>Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
>>>Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen
>>>Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
>>>Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>>>LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>
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>-- Regards, Kingsley Idehen
Founder & CEO
OpenLink Software
Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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-- Regards, Kingsley Idehen
Founder & CEO
OpenLink Software
Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
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